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General discussionDay Against DRM October 12th, 2019(34 posts)(34 posts)
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Posted October 13, 2019
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Zrevnur: There are some misconceptions about "change" in society. It often doesnt come due to changing entrenched old powers but rather by making new different powers. So in this case here in order to produce change (in society) all it takes may be to spread awareness to the right person. There is even a real life example right in front of you critcs: GOG. Far as I know no one 'changed' GOG from a DRM-demonic to a (somewhat) DRM-free store. GOG was made by people who believed (if the self advertisement is to be believed) in DRM-free. However for something like this to happen such a belief needs to come from somewhere. Spreading public awareness (in whatever form) may be such a source of such a belief or may serve as a reminder that other people care about DRM-free too.
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GameRager: Yes, but there is only so much "power"(of any kind) to go around......usually to give people power others need to have power taken away from them, and usually in not so nice ways(with by being shamed or pressured on social media/etc or irl in less than peaceful ways).
I am not sure what you are referring to here. But in case of my example 'GOG' no power was "taken away" from Steam. The power of GOG is due to it attracting people and not due to it (forcibly) taking them away from Steam.

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GameRager: And yes, gog does a ton of good, but is has slipped sadly in some ways(no one world price, some countries get censored regional versions, etc).....as Gog has wanted to attract other devs and rights holders they have chosen to sacrifice some of those same pillars they were founded on, all to make a buck/keep in business. Whether this is the right thing to do is up to personal beliefs and such.
Everything(?) man-made will eventually become corrupted. This doesnt change the value of my argument. Society can be changed because individual people have the motivation (etc) to create change. Its not necessary to convince (or in response to your argument "force") entrenched "old powers" to change.
Posted October 14, 2019
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Zrevnur: I am not sure what you are referring to here. But in case of my example 'GOG' no power was "taken away" from Steam. The power of GOG is due to it attracting people and not due to it (forcibly) taking them away from Steam.

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GameRager: And yes, gog does a ton of good, but is has slipped sadly in some ways(no one world price, some countries get censored regional versions, etc).....as Gog has wanted to attract other devs and rights holders they have chosen to sacrifice some of those same pillars they were founded on, all to make a buck/keep in business. Whether this is the right thing to do is up to personal beliefs and such.
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Zrevnur: Everything(?) man-made will eventually become corrupted. This doesnt change the value of my argument. Society can be changed because individual people have the motivation (etc) to create change. Its not necessary to convince (or in response to your argument "force") entrenched "old powers" to change.
1st bit: I was talking about power in general, and not just with game storefronts. As for steam/gog, gog takes power away from steam by taking sales away from steam in some cases(due to cheaper prices/drm free/ease of use/backup installers one can archive/etc).

2nd bit: That bit was more of an aside/sidetopic connected a bit to the main topic, and mainly pointing out the flaws in gog as of late.

And no it is not always necessary but in many cases nowadays it is or a big negative PR campaign is(via social media/etc).

(Most power: corporate/gov't/etc has means to keep it's power[laws/money/guns & bodies to bear them] that usually allow them to laugh off or ignore most such peaceful attempts to change the status quo)
Post edited October 14, 2019 by GameRager
Posted October 14, 2019
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Zrevnur: I am not sure what you are referring to here. But in case of my example 'GOG' no power was "taken away" from Steam. The power of GOG is due to it attracting people and not due to it (forcibly) taking them away from Steam.

Everything(?) man-made will eventually become corrupted. This doesnt change the value of my argument. Society can be changed because individual people have the motivation (etc) to create change. Its not necessary to convince (or in response to your argument "force") entrenched "old powers" to change.
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GameRager: 1st bit: I was talking about power in general, and not just with game storefronts. As for steam/gog, gog takes power away from steam by taking sales away from steam in some cases(due to cheaper prices/drm free/ease of use/backup installers one can archive/etc).
Ok to explanation but: Given your previous context of "force" etc I dont agree with your perspective (using the wording "gog takes power away"). Its not GOG doing this. Its the customers who are doing it. Or rephrasing: GOG doesnt (far as I know) use "force" (or whatever other evil means) to "take power away" from Steam.

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GameRager: (Most power: corporate/gov't/etc has means to keep it's power[laws/money/guns & bodies to bear them] that usually allow them to laugh off or ignore most such peaceful attempts to change the status quo)
What you mean with "such"? If you mean normal (normally unmotivated) people demonstrating a little or some such: Maybe. If you mean dedicated highly motivated people putting in serious effort to "change the world" then I dont agree. Look again at CDR/GOG: They made a popular game "The Witcher" and it "changed the world" (in the context of "AAA" games absolutely needing to be "protected" from piracy).
Posted October 14, 2019
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Zrevnur: Ok to explanation but: Given your previous context of "force" etc I dont agree with your perspective (using the wording "gog takes power away"). Its not GOG doing this. Its the customers who are doing it. Or rephrasing: GOG doesnt (far as I know) use "force" (or whatever other evil means) to "take power away" from Steam.


What you mean with "such"? If you mean normal (normally unmotivated) people demonstrating a little or some such: Maybe. If you mean dedicated highly motivated people putting in serious effort to "change the world" then I dont agree. Look again at CDR/GOG: They made a popular game "The Witcher" and it "changed the world" (in the context of "AAA" games absolutely needing to be "protected" from piracy).
1st bit: I meant to say Gog allows people to take power away from steam/etc.

2nd bit: I meant that a few people golding up signs in some city doesn't change much usually, and it's the sad truth.
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