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nightcraw1er.488: Windows 8 specifically, though win 8.1 was also pretty bad.
What did you find so bad in 8.1, besides the start menu wich can be easily corrected with classic shell?
Well, the active corner thing can be disable as well on classic shell.
I find it the fastest OS to do stuff, like navigate in folders, transfer files, control panel stuff etc... And the less babysitting needing OS as well.

I do use almost every day Win 7, Win 8.1, Win 10 and Linux Mint.
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Themken: The sound stuttering is horrible in Windows 10 removing the joy in gaming.
Is there more info on this somewhere, ie. what games and/or hardware does it affect? When did it start happening?

Lately I have just occasionally playing some Team Fortress 2 and Icewind Dale 2 on my Windows 10 (as it is my work laptop mind you), I don't recall any sound stutter...
One thing that trully annoys me on any M$ system is the bluetooth system. Pairing is difficult, often disconnects/do not recognise periferals, takes to many clicks to do simple tasks and it seems slower than in Android.
Maybe it's my fault as a user, or my periferals are not optimized to Windows, even 3 bluetooth speakers I have often are not paired automatic.
On Linux Mint on the same devices and Android everything seem much smoother and easier.
Anyone else have this kind of problem?
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nightcraw1er.488: Windows 8 specifically, though win 8.1 was also pretty bad.
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Dark_art_: What did you find so bad in 8.1, besides the start menu wich can be easily corrected with classic shell?
Well, the active corner thing can be disable as well on classic shell.
I find it the fastest OS to do stuff, like navigate in folders, transfer files, control panel stuff etc... And the less babysitting needing OS as well.

I do use almost every day Win 7, Win 8.1, Win 10 and Linux Mint.
Can’t give specifics as it was several years back now. Just remember really not liking it, from what I recall every operation was sluggish. The interface was the first to need classic shell. UAC issues. Games didn’t seem as compatible. Lacked the professional appearance of 7. I did use it for several months, then reverted to win7. Never went back. Jumped straight to win10 after that.
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timppu:
Some optional update a few weeks ago that was released in order to fix another problem. It affected all three, fairly old, games I played then on my mum's 11 years old 2nd computer. That is all I know. Not at her place now so can do no testing. If you have no problems just game on happily. Quick search says to try reinstalling audio drivers or change to 16bit sound.
Post edited October 12, 2019 by Themken
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rtcvb32: If i could play a number of games and the hardware support was better...
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Darvond: Wine has made vast strides, thought it is far from perfect. As for hardware support, sometimes better, sometimes worse, but at least there are solutions.
I wasn't referring to compatibility of software. I was talking hardware, specifically GPU's.

Reminds me when Linus said 'Nvidia, fuck you' :P
Post edited October 12, 2019 by rtcvb32
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timppu: And yes, I did find a fix for all those three in Windows 10, either using DDWrapper/dgVoodoo2 or using "windowed fullscreen" (or was it "borderless windowed"?) instead of generic fullscreen, if available in game options (like it was available in Geometry Dash, luckily).
Well when I said I haven't had an issue with old games on Windows 10 yet I definitely didn't mean without fixes. Lots of PC games require tweaks on modern Windows, and that was true of Windows 7 as well. To some extent that's just PC gaming.

Again though, not saying zero games have unsolvable problems. I know I tried like hell to get Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire working on Windows 7 and couldn't do it. I even installed XP in a virtual machine and that didn't work either. Then GOG released a fixed version that plays fine on Windows 10, god bless 'em. Just saying (for me) that's a very rare experience. I honestly think it's amazing how Windows keeps running almost everything from PC gaming history.
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Darvond: Wine has made vast strides, thought it is far from perfect. As for hardware support, sometimes better, sometimes worse, but at least there are solutions.
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rtcvb32: I wasn't referring to compatibility of software. I was talking hardware, specifically GPU's.

Reminds me when Linus said 'Nvidia, fuck you' :P
Yeah, that's on Nvidia. Not Linux. You try legally grocking drivers for hardware when you're having to work from the consumer level without reverse engineering?
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DadJoke007: I read somewhere here the argument that legacy operative systems aren't as prone to viruses simply due to the small number of people using it.
It's not that simple. Yes, if you go back far enough in time, you'll find an operating system that nobody's bothering to write viruses for today. However, if you look at any "mainstream" software that's a few years old and lacking security patches, well, these are ripe for exploitation. Run a server, watch the logs, you'll see.

There are botnets running 24/7 hammering a massive array of known exploits against any target they can find and reach. It costs them nothing, and every target they compromise is a win. Think about it: there are some 10 billion devices connected to the internet. If 0.5% of those ran a vulnerable system, and 1% of these could be successfully compromised, you'd get a massive botnet of half a million compromised devices.

Now if you consider numbers, windows xp still has a market share of a few percent, according to various estimates. You can bet that there are lots of compromised xp computers out there, and there will be lots of compromised win7 computers out there.

Many botnets today run on IoT devices that do not have a percent of the market share of any PC OS. The payoff for compromising them is still huge.

Security professionals today will tell you that staying up to date is the first thing you need to take care of. And they aren't saying that because of some conspiracy to force you into using Microsoft's latest crap.
Post edited October 12, 2019 by clarry
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DadJoke007: I read somewhere here the argument that legacy operative systems aren't as prone to viruses simply due to the small number of people using it.
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clarry: It's not that simple. Yes, if you go back far enough in time, you'll find an operating system that nobody's bothering to write viruses for today. However, if you look at any "mainstream" software that's a few years old and lacking security patches, well, these are ripe for exploitation. Run a server, watch the logs, you'll see.

There are botnets running 24/7 hammering a massive array of known exploits against any target they can find and reach. It costs them nothing, and every target they compromise is a win. Think about it: there are some 10 billion devices connected to the internet. If 0.5% of those ran a vulnerable system, and 1% of these could be successfully compromised, you'd get a massive botnet of half a million compromised devices.

Now if you consider numbers, windows xp still has a market share of a few percent, according to various estimates. You can bet that there are lots of compromised xp computers out there, and there will be lots of compromised win7 computers out there.

Many botnets today run on IoT devices that do not have a percent of the market share of any PC OS. The payoff for compromising them is still huge.
Sure sure, but most exploiting of exploits needs user interaction (like phishing emails). Otherwise, any and all current system still running XP that is internet connected would be part of a botnet or be infested with some form of malware. And that's simply not the case.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you paint an overly dramatic picture.
Post edited October 12, 2019 by teceem
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teceem: Sure sure, but most exploiting of exploits needs user interaction (like phishing emails). Otherwise, any and all current system still running XP that is internet connected would be part of a botnet or be infested with some form of malware. And that's simply not the case.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you paint an overly dramatic picture.
Yeah, but isn't that a bit tangential?

Sure you can run a system full of big gaping holes and millions of viruses targetting it if you just take security seriously and prevent those things from reaching the system in the first place.

Unfortunately some of the largest botnets of recent years (ranging from hundreds of thousands to millions of infected devices) came to be due to vulnerable routers & IoT devices. No, you don't need to run an email client on that IoT lamp and open fishy.pdf.exe to get it infected. See e.g. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirai_(malware]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirai_(malware[/url])

And if you rely on NAT to keep outdated PCs safe from the big bad internet, too bad, those infected devices could be used to launch an attack against wide open devices on the local network.

Also, if you've been on the internet long enough, you might've seen drive-by downloads. All it takes is an outdated browser + a malicious ad. These are pretty common since, unfortunately, "legit" ad networks have created a problem for themselves by allowing complicated javascript/flash/etc ads and they can't properly screen all the ads they distribute for malware, so bad shit slips through. And then you have all those "legit" blogs, forums, etc. that unfortunately happen to get pwned and someone slips a malicious ad or just straight up malware on them. In a similar manner, sites distributing patches, fixes, mods, cracks, etc. can easily turn into trojan & virus distribution networks and some viruses are damn good at infecting everything including things like USB flash drives. See e.g. Ramnit which infected more than three million PCs... https://www.symantec.com/security-center/writeup/2010-011922-2056-99

I'm just saying that "legacy operating system is not prone to viruses because it's not popular enough among malware authors" is a complete BS theory if we're talking about a popular OS that has a history of being targeted by malware and still has millions of PCs running it.

And yet, yes, of course one can take the most vulnerable piece of software and take care not to let it get in touch with malware. Pretty risky though, if you're planning to use it for daily activities such as having it internet-connected, browsing the web, and downloading crap to run on it.
I am p*ed at internet service providers who force you to use their gateways (modem+router combined) which they bought cheap en masse from a manufacturer which went out of business. They are outdated from the get go and it just gets worse and worse.
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nightcraw1er.488: Can’t give specifics as it was several years back now. Just remember really not liking it, from what I recall every operation was sluggish. The interface was the first to need classic shell. UAC issues. Games didn’t seem as compatible. Lacked the professional appearance of 7. I did use it for several months, then reverted to win7. Never went back. Jumped straight to win10 after that.
From my experience, zero UAC troubles, appearance is WAY better than Win7, with smoother animations (not in a professional way but still), zero compatibility issues... Actually, when games don't run on Win10 they usually run on 8.1 just fine, the same with Win7. Never had a game that didn't run the same as other systems, maybe I just use a more up to date install than you used but my personal rig has a non-updated version from very early (yes, I DONT update the system).
Also, no operation I did until today is sluggish compared to Win7 or 10 and the system I have that require the less number of clicks to to everydays operations (in my case of course).

While I'm not trying to "convert" anyone, I really don't like hype trains.... But, to have a usable Win8.1 classic shell or similar has to be installed and a little tweaked. Neither the less 8.1 is the M$ system that require the less tweaking after a install (IMHO of course).

I had a BIG reason for complain about using 8.1 that Adrenalin drivers didn't support the system. Guess what, AMD tweaked the Win7 drivers to work flawlessly, with every function working properly.
to make windows 10 like windows 7 but with added benefits of dx12 etc and stuff u can get the following

shutup10 - blocks all windows telemetry services
wpd - same as shut up 10 but can block windows updates
ribbon disabler - changes the shitty w10 bar to windows 7 one
classic shell - to make it like vista,xp,7 UI start menu
edge blocker - blocks microsoft edge cos its shit browser
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anyone with basic network | scripting and code skills can block Windows 10 spying and turn off updates to lock it down... as long as they have Admin rights and understand that Microsoft will keep trying to get around you with their dirty tricks department

once a year, as needed to play the new games, you will then have to update and of course that means Microsoft will have added new spyware which you have to find and block... the joy of computers is that they change and you have to keep learning

all Windows 7 users should just give up and get a Xbox or an Apple because what they really want is to not have to think about it
Post edited October 13, 2019 by ussnorway