I dont wanna sound offensive, but people who blame the whole group ("leftists", in your case) are the same as sjws. I mean - not leftists as a whole are responsible for this, but some idiots and sociopaths. Same as with #metoo - idea itself was good (just like the concept of communism, if you wanna talk "leftists" in general) - to offer moral (and probably legal) help to people who were/are suffering from some predators abusing their power. BUT - just like communism, it didnt work as intended. Coz people are people and there is always crowd consisting of not-so-smart people and people-who-needs-to-be-isolated-from-society, who mis/overused this movement for personal reasons (to gain some profits/to gain attention/to watch the world burn - etc etc).

Again - I dont support ZQ in any way and really hope that at least some people, responsible for driving somebody to suicide, will be legally punished. Just trying to keep this thread's mood at least somehow constructive, in order to avoid purposed or accidental derailing and following shutdown by moderator

Isn't fr33k parodying what he thinks the alt right is like? I always thought so.

It's been a while since I've read something so blatantly wrong. Both are emotionally driven movements that end in arbitrary tyranny against perceived wrongs rationalized by the greater good. Probably the most common cause for evil ever, so no, the idea itself is not good.

Neurotic trainwrecks with power on their hands are a plague upon humanity.

Thats a unexpected comment, thanks my dude.

Wrong, even the more passive inactive tendencies trend to indicate at least some positive change. As an a common real world example which I'm pretty sure anyone has this hapened to them at some point. Lets say that you're seriously angry about something, yet why is that that after you've calmed down a lot of times you realize by yourself that this rage was somehow unjustified? Things like these that we take for granted because its natural to us are actually very complex.

Most of the population did basically nothing to what caused the change from the medieval times to today, yet are still involved into day-to-day living business. And which one of these eras were better for the people (IMHO, this question is pretty easy to answer)? And why is there an drive to even develop things that benefit culture in the first place? Tons of even more complicated questions that arise from those but I don't really know the answer to most of them. Human history and nature really is complicated.

However, what I've meant by "as time goes by" was meant for a huge amount of people. Perhaps only 5% of the population want to even participate in any sort of any revolution or any active change as most folks just wait it out and live their lives, yet 100% of people still have a say in how they want to live their lives the way they want. Either way this means that the impact those 5% of the population have is huge, which is not always the case or that the other 95% do really share a intrinsic drive towards a more positive lifestyle and freedom.

I do honestly agree though that some forms of media is a little bit too hyperactive. And I do say that a lot of mediafolks are extremly biased when it comes to social media, though a ton of people working there don't use it to promote themselves. Its a difficult subject to talk about honestly, because there are seriously so many factors involved that I can't even find a way to talk about it.

Anyway, those exteme groups you're talking about perhaps comprise less than 2% of the general population. Signifing these voices for clicks is what Social Media does very well. The stuff I wrote prior about me poking my head into Social Media. If Social Media would be designed differently then I would've never truely find very strongly comments. But it took me seconds to look for hashtags and offensive comments. Social Media is amazing at putting the strongest worded sentences and their writers on a pedestial so more eyes can look at those "hot-takes".

And besides any of this, I've also seen comments over at social media sites on Alec Holowkas passing that were very supportive to him and his family and didn't want to stir up any drama at all. Don't be too hung up on the idea about media, or social media that promotes extremism. I think there are many other factors involved that cause extreme behavior (such as economic inequality or a unstable working place), but that would derail the topic entirely and I really don't want that.

Most of the time, the info is based on biased views that allow them to say 'told you so', even if there's proof out there and shows otherwise. This is the most worrying aspect of 'cancel culture' even more so when pushed by the media.

I agree, but I do believe strongly that people can and do learn from this. Again, the whole ProJared situation spoke bounds to that train of thought. Its also true that some people will never learn or even take this as encouragement to be even more rabid next time, but extremists aren't as important as the voices of the general populous. I also believe that most people can and will admit when they did something wrong, even if they happened prior to be indestinquishable from an extremist who simply want to "cancel" someone out because they don't agree with them or something.

I think the worst that media does, and thats stuff they're doing for over 40 years now, is that they focus a little bit too much on the bad news and general alarmist tendencies.

Did you really read the backer update? Because they supported him and they did try to help him for years (up to the point that Scott Benson got serious mental/medical problems himself). But even if you care for someone there might be one point where you can't no longer help the person and have to cut ties.

You must be a lucky guy, if you've never been in a situation like that yourself.

Umm... No, Not at all, Why would you say such a thing!

Never happened. If I'm seriously angry about something it's always for a real reason. Some times my actions can be too extreme and not thought through, but again I've learned that from my parents and teachers as a child. If people around me wouldn't tell me how harmful my actions are, I probably wouldn't know better.

Honestly, I don't understand what are you saying. Or how is this relevant. The only thing I can say is that behavior of spoiled children probably didn't change much from medieval times, heck probably from ancient times.

I've read it. I just don't see how Benson's panic attacks in 2017 (according to him happening because of situation with NITW development) are connected with Holowka's mental breakdown/medical treatmen/becoming a new person in 2015.

What situation you're talking about? Rape allegations? Or people who don't care for me cutting ties with me because they don't find me useful anymore? The latter happens with me on regular basis. That's why I'm saying - NITW devs didn't care for Holowka.

To be fair there are scummy people on all sides of the aisle who take advantage of such and pile on to make money/get views and attention/etc. Not just on the left.

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I actually like how many of your comments are structured(even if I don't agree with everything you say)....wordy yet written very well in most cases and you don't repeat as much as I do.

I often keep repeating ideas as my reply style is usually to reply to each bit of a reply in turn and thus I often come back to things i've said already in the same post. This plus my wall of text kinda turns some off, as you can likely tell. At least with you it's often very interesting to read more so than my own replies(most of them).

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(Also I see that post you replied to is low rated....I don't care about rep but if some here wanted to encourage me to post more such replies, they should GET that low rating them doesn't send that message. If I were them i'd uprate good comments by those I dislike to hint at which way I want them to post/behave.....but they don't get that, or they like to push people's buttons)
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Some sadly cherrypick the times they were right about people and discard the times they were wrong...even if it leads to things like with Alec or ProJared. :\

Also some aren't really mad or upset, they just follow the others to get attention for being part of the "in" thing at the moment or want to watch the world burn.

I agree with most of your post. I often say social media will kill us all, and I'm not even really joking. I think it is causing massive strife, anxiety and division that has real world repercussions. Still, I think women who feel they were assaulted should feel free to say that in public, and it's more the reaction that is the problem. Firing the guy, isolating him, treating him as guilty without a trial... these are the things we need to focus on not doing, more than restricting accusation, in my opinion.

RIP alec

Wrong on so many counts. I remember the story you're talking about. The woman put out homophobic nonsense based on an incorrect assumption (crossover talent is every bit as tested as straight pornstars) and the gay porn star has NOTHING to apologize for, as he's likely tired of the stereotype of gay/bi men being all disease-ridden. That the lady killed herself is regrettable, and yes, the rage mob ain't shit, but let's not try use this to perpetuate stereotypes.

Honestly, though, the problem isn't one person's or another's views, it's the mob meentality that social media generates. As ProJared explained, people do this not to help others, but to virtue signal, to show their friends just how wonderful they are as people. Social media has destroyed civil discourse, and given us nothing in return.

The whole ProJared situation shouldn't be taken as a important example, but rather as merely the newest/freshest in the chain of situations where people criticised people who reside (a lot of people live and breath there) in social media sites. At least thats what I take from this. This is not solely about twitter/facebook but rather how Social Media actually manipulates people, it goes just a tiny bit beyond than what ProJared is saying.

Here is a good video about the issues at hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBR3Sw9X93s.

This goes way beyond simply just politics and how it promotes tribalism. Social Media in general is pretty exploitative to human emotions itself. Its also draining peoples emotional capacities while pitting tribes vs tribes online.