Witcher 3 as a purchase was the most satisfying one in a long time. The last time I felt that way was buying the PSX with Metal Gear Solid + Final Fantasy VII + Final Fantasy VIII + Resident Evil 2. It brought me that Christmas Kid feeling I had been missing for years. The amount of content, the sheer quality of the majority of it(the uniquely choreographed cutscenes, the intimate contained storylines)... I used to much prefer games with customizeable protags, and beyond that, I much preferred JRPGs. Witcher 3 broke all my expectations and now I am obsessed by it.

One would think that Cyberpunk 2077 can't fail, right? Made by the same studio after all. Just got granted 7m extra development fund from Polish government, and have more people working on in than even Witcher 3.

...This is when the flashbacks of the catastrophic decline of the Final Fantasy series started haunting me.

FF as a series was also seen as something that cannot fail. If you were an RPG fan in general, having 'Final Fantasy' on the label is usually guaranteed purchase.

Squaresoft was hot off the commercial failure of Spirits Within movie, a power struggle happened, and many of the old staff bolted out and went freelance. It affected development of FFXII and literally threw FFXIII off course. Games changed direction mid development and were rushed through, forcing the director to leave supposedly for being ill(this is typical Japanese corporate power play, so oftentimes they were MADE to resign).

FFXIII lost its 'focus' halfway, and since Yoshinari Kitase had no one else to depend on, he looked at the closest one he had, which was Motomu Toriyama. The rest is hitory: game had to be remixed into 2 different games to make sense and maximize profit by recycling the assets. Storyline got so convoluted and gameplay so simplistic. Fans were since jaded with SE and that jadedness has continued to haunt them well until today, with FFXV being only a shadow of its former self.

I'm worried that this will soon befall CDPR.

I'd like to call everyone to think some of this shit over.

1. The fans: we must control out expectations. We shouldn't demand Cyberpunk to just be more than Witcher 3. We should just ask them to give us the best. You guys have to remember that quality and quantity are two different things, and resources are finite.

2. The devs, if they even read this: PLEASE!! LEARN FROM THE HISTORY OF SQUARE ENIX'S TURBULENT FF DEVELOPMENT HISTORY! Especially with their Production Team 1, responsible for mainline FF titles.

a. If you can't find someone within your team good enough to do the job you want him to, GO OUTSIDE AND OUTSOURCE THAT TO SOMEONE WHO IS. Don't repeat the same mistake Yoshinori Kitase did.

b. Establishing your focus and goals early on is important, and everyone on the team should know that. They can provide their own inputs, but never let anything stray from the main direction.

c. If development time has to be extended, then EXTEND IT. You might be pressured by certain external parties to release early and manage the fallout later through marketing, but THAT'S THE WRONG APPROACH. You should utilize your resources for what matters NOW instead of letting shit go south and think about how to deal with it later.

Alas, I am but one man releasing his frustrations with videogame industry today. For many people, Witcher 3 was a Godsend for betraying all the normal shitty practices game companies do nowadays, but the way it has been so far, it's like a black hole that absorbs any sort of honor left from everyone in the industry, studio by studio.

Don't ever get sucked into that black hole, CDPR. Please...

(No spoilers please.)

I was reallly hoping for a Witcher 4. I am playing Witcher 3 now, and will for quite some time, so I truly do not know the ending. But even if they started the Witcher 4 with new characters, or let the player build their own Witcher in different worlds, I would have been quite happy.

I am not really into they cyber punk games. But if they keep releasing DRM free games, and decent games, I will still purchase the game, even if to just support the company. Who knows, maybe I will end up liking it, and maybe be hoping for the sequel.

No. Just no. Geralt's story has been told.

They've been teasing Cyberpunk2077 for YEARS and they now better damn deliver...

Afterwards I don't care if they revisit Witcher.. maybe with Ciri or a new lead character.. but 2077 now kthanxbai

To be fair that's exactly what any fan of the books could have said upon first hearing of the first Witcher game.

Oh. I thought this would be about how Cyberpunk could possibly be an online multiplayer game mostly which you can't really play offline.

But apparently this was more about "successful studios have made poo poo before, what if CDPR does too?", if I got the OP right.

Carry on. I don't really have any big concerns about the game yet. If it fails, it fails. If it succeeds, it succeeds. And countless other platitudes.

They could do a witcher game without Geralt set in the past, close after the Conjunction of Spheres and throw the lead in the middle of the chaos.

Completely agree. Looking very forward to CP2077. Considering the new Blade Runner sequel is probably going to disappoint me (I thought director Denis Villeneuve's movie "Arrival" was terrible) I am hoping this game will be this generation's Blade Runner.

Well...

1. Given the fact that CDPR has raised the ante with each of their releases and has been successful in doing so, I'd say it's pretty unrealistic to ask people to not be hyped and expect their next project, which is a complete style switch, to offer something that even the Witcher 3 (a fantastic game), didn't give them.

You also have to take into consideration that, honestly, there isn't that many great Cyberpunk games. So the fact that CDPR, teamed up with Mike Pondsmith, are tackling an open world RPG in a Cyberpunk universe is enough to get anyone overly excited if you're a fan of this setting, or Mike's tabletop game or universe.

That being said, CDPR remain extremely tight lipped. They haven't said anything for years, and the only thing I've seen recently was job positions opening up for the project. Personally, I have lots of faith that CDPR will deliver something incredible and boundary pushing, but with nothing to really go on I'd say everyone is just waiting to see. The high expectations anyone has are because CDPR are the ones that personally raise that bar higher and higher. It's just the way it goes!

http://en.cdprojektred.com/jobs/

2. Eh, CDPR and SE are two companies with different cultural backgrounds designing different products. I honestly don't think you have to worry about this with CDPR because they tend to only give 100% focus to one game at a time. Now that The Witcher 3 and all it's DLC content is done and out, all their resources will now be switched over and devoted to their new project, Cyberpunk 2077.

SE tackles multiple games at a time, like a typical game dev/pub and does a lot more than just FF, and when you reach THAT many sequels in a series alone, I'd say your chances of something going haywire raise quite a bit. Times change, companies change, people change.

Look, don't sweat it much. CDPR, much like Blizzard or Valve, tend to approach game development the way that has proven to work best for them. Which often means they don't focus on more then a few projects at a time and they take long ass periods to even get to a stage where everyone on the development team is happy. Yes, Blizzard has WoW and Valve has Steam, which are like money machines for them. But CDPR is doing very well and that's from their products and goodwill with the community alone! They'll be fine. (I'm sure your GOG money helps them out too)

The very first Deus Ex game was so good that people hyped up themselves for the second game Deus Ex: Invisible War hoping it would be better than the first one.

It was a good stand alone game but people stubbornly felt the need to compare it to the first game.

And so Invisible War did not received good reviews in comparison to first Deus Ex game despite being a good game in itself as it did not exceed people's expectations.

So don't hype up yourselves or expect the game developers to deliver you the one of a kind experience again.

Judge a game individually on its own merit, NOT how it compares to previous releases.

If I remember right, Invisible War is what coined the term "consolitis." Not exactly the kind of thing to build a legacy on. Heck, I'm not even saying it's a bad game, but perceptions and word of mouth is everything.

OP:
Why, did you preorder it?

Hype is bad. excitement is good.

people are stupid

so they hyped.



on witcher 4.


Geralt story came to the end with witcher 3 but I would not mind another witcher game set away from current place without geralt.

even without witcher as a protagonist?

A female witch-fighter heading east to escape the witch hunt and the war?

I could dig that.

First of all, I expect truly great things from Cyberpunk 2077 and I expect to finally buy a new PC just for it. I've played the p&p back in 1993, though I admit that Shadowrun was the hotter scenario for me back then, so I wasn't the most avid fan of Cyberpunk. :p

The things that worry me are the following.

(1) The Polish government grant seems to imply they're looking into making it multiplayer.

Please don't make it multiplayer. I'd love this to be a single player experience and nothing more.


(2) The only trailer shows a half naked white woman getting subdued by a man

Stop writing Witcher stories. It's Cyberpunk 2020/2077, OK? Write Cyberpunk stories please. And it's Night City. Night City between San Francisco and Los Angeles, two cities that today rank in the top 10 most diverse cities on the face of the Earth. Grok the scenario. Write for the scenario. Thanks.

Personally my biggest concern / fear with Cyberpunk 2077 is not with the game itself but with CDPR.

My fear is that Cyberpunk just "cannot" fail, as in if it fails what would happen of CDPR ?

CDPR release very few games and those games get a bigger and bigger budget every time, what would happen if, for some reason, Cyberpunk wasn't selling well or at least not at least as well as CDPR expected it to, would CDPR Red be able to survive it thanks to GoG, Gwent and other projects and would it bankrupt the company ?

As long as CDPR doesn't stop listening to the cutomers, start microtransactions in SP-Games and start releasing multiple formerly successful but now rushed IPs for Cashgrab-reasons I'm not worried they might end up like SE.

Concerning the hype. Hype is always bad, no exception.

My only worry about Cyberpunk 2077 so far is the talk about a seamless MP.
A force MP or one which has an effect on the SP (like content you miss or higher difficulty if you play alone) would be enough reason for me to avoid the game completely.