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Knightspace: Yes, and you can play on that save file to all your heart's content offline. I agree that it's shitty, but i would hardly call it a drm scheme.
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BrianSim: Then you need to look the definition of the word up as DRM-Free doesn't mean "you can use this offline as long as you never restart the game because then the content disappears and you need to go online each time". You know what else fits that description? SecuROM PA which also "worked offline after being activated online once - until you reinstalled the game at a later date..."
Not at all, you don't get barred from playing the game. You just don't get some useless stuff.
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Knightspace: You can play Cyberpunk offline fully...You miss ONE shirt and ONE useless weapon.
...Or, you can do what everyone here does and vote with your wallet. I don't buy shit that requires Galaxy to play for example. You got so hang up on this idiotic nonsense that you lost the bigger picture, as you accussed me of the same. ...a game that will make you download a launcher... won't allow you to use INTEGRATED GAME MODES IS an issue.
Which is it? Fully? Or with missing content? It can't be both.

And I am trying to vote with my wallet. I have requested my refund for The Witcher 3 (which GOG has not done yet), and I refunded my CP2077 pre-order when they released it with DRM. I also don't buy shit that requires Galaxy to play. Which includes CP2077 and The Witcher 3's DRM.

Another example straight from your own mouth: a game that will make you download a launcher and won't allow you to use integrated game [content] is an issue".

You're hung up on "it's just cometic"/"it's useless" and indeed failing to see the bigger picture: that it is actually DRM by any sensible definition of it, and it is DRM on GOG's flagship titles, and in one case retroactively added. If you don't see how that's a problem, I don't think there's any helping you.
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Knightspace: Not at all, you don't get barred from playing the game.
You do get barred from playing some non-zero part of the game.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by mqstout
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Knightspace: Not at all, you don't get barred from playing the game. You just don't get some useless stuff.
Which simply means parts of the game are DRM-Free and other parts aren't. At the end of the day it's less the "importance" of the content itself that people are questioning, and more the fact it's basically a "tolerance test" for introducing DRM'd micro-transactions on a DRM-Free store. Some people here seem a little 'slow on the uptake' in figuring the latter bit out...
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Knightspace: You can play Cyberpunk offline fully...You miss ONE shirt and ONE useless weapon.
...Or, you can do what everyone here does and vote with your wallet. I don't buy shit that requires Galaxy to play for example. You got so hang up on this idiotic nonsense that you lost the bigger picture, as you accussed me of the same. ...a game that will make you download a launcher... won't allow you to use INTEGRATED GAME MODES IS an issue.
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mqstout: Which is it? Fully? Or with missing content? It can't be both.

And I am trying to vote with my wallet. I have requested my refund for The Witcher 3 (which GOG has not done yet), and I refunded my CP2077 pre-order when they released it with DRM. I also don't buy shit that requires Galaxy to play. Which includes CP2077 and The Witcher 3's DRM.

Another example straight from your own mouth: a game that will make you download a launcher and won't allow you to use integrated game [content] is an issue".

You're hung up on "it's just cometic"/"it's useless" and indeed failing to see the bigger picture: that it is actually DRM by any sensible definition of it, and it is DRM on GOG's flagship titles, and in one case retroactively added. If you don't see how that's a problem, I don't think there's any helping you.
Missing content that consists of a shirt an a weapon. Oh no, how horrible.

I really don't care what you think at this point. You are so hung up on this nonsense it's astounding. And yeah, vote with your money, that's fine, it's what you should do and that's your right as a customer, but nonsensical argument is, well, nonsensical.

It's not a DRM if you don't need it to play a game without missing big on content or, in the case of most games, the entire experience.
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Knightspace: Not at all, you don't get barred from playing the game. You just don't get some useless stuff.
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BrianSim: Which simply means parts of the game are DRM-Free and other parts aren't. At the end of the day it's less the "importance" of the content itself that people are questioning, and more the fact it's basically a "tolerance test" for introducing DRM'd micro-transactions on a DRM-Free store. Some people here seem a little 'slow on the uptake' in figuring the latter bit out...
Or you guys are just making mountains out of molehills. Blind refusal of reality is not a good thing.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Knightspace
IMHO...

... it seems GOG is in a Catch-22 situation here. They obviously want to define their position while expanding features and services, but...

... many dislike GOG's basic consumer / customer outreach (basic data collection).

In my opinion data collection (survey research) is the first step any business that deals directly with their customers should take when contemplating their next move(s). Surveys and data collection show they actually value input from customers (us). GOG could easily have made decisions unilaterally without soliciting our opinions, but they're asking...

... and I see that solicitation as a good thing.

Also...

... it's clear from many of the questions that GOG has actually been "listening" to various forum conversations (ie customer loyalty programs, subscription services, etc.) and now want some level of empirical data on topics instead of just solitary forum posts / threads. Forum posts -- although helpful in brainstorming -- are anecdotal. Survey data on the other hand starts to bring into focus how much of an audience want what was spoken of in particular threads and posts. It's empirical.

Now, is it distressing to read about a potential "subscription service" or other issues that sound like DRM creep? Certainly, but again this was brought up multiple times on the forum, and I think it's important to remember that gathering information on potential features is not the same as instituting those features.

I may be overly-forgiving of GOG's faults, but I was glad to take the survey. It was something GOG should have been doing for years IMO. Now, will they get valid data and how will that data be used? Will this data aid GOG moving toward positive or negatives changes?

Only time will tell.

But as a customer I'd surely rather be asked about potential changes than a company just do whatever they want without my 2 cents.

(Ok, sorry if this sounded like a rant. It wasn't meant as such... and... I do understand the lack of trust some have of( GOG.)
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Knightspace: It's not a DRM if you don't need it to play a game without missing big on content or, in the case of most games, the entire experience.
You cannot say something is not DRM based on your own erroneous and extremely narrow definition based on the quality and quantity of what content is gated. What it is and how much of it is gated behind DRM is irrelevant to whether or not there is actually DRM.

Please just admit that you're wrong. I no one would feel any less of you. I still don't get what benefit there is to you or how you're so offended that there are people trying to make and keep the world a better place by doing what we can to encourage a DRM-free experience. You lose nothing, and gain a lot. (Meanwhile, DRM-free gamers are constantly losing more and more and apologists and deniers keep mincing words and wrangling brains to make things up.)

So you're malicious? A troll? Daft? A CDPR high percentage shareholder looking to cash in on short-term gains somehow? Practicing your "projection" skills? There are only so many explanations and I'm running out of the generous ones.

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Knightspace: Blind refusal of reality is not a good thing.
Indeed it is. Whether or not something is DRM -- certainly in this case -- is not a matter of one's personal opinion.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by mqstout
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BreOl72: what you (or I or anybody, really) want, doesn't matter.
Patently wrong. Stores don't stay in business selling things that people don't want.
GOG's single biggest selling point over other online video game storefronts these days is its commitment to being DRM-free.
Remove that, and we all might as well just shop at Steam, which has more features and a much larger catalog of games.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Blastprocessor42
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Syphon72: I see the usually people derailed this thread.
That's why I am going to report this thread. Ganging up and antagonizing other users who just disagree with their own opinions and calling them out including insults and personal attacks is against the CoC of this forum.

Edit: Done.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by foad01
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BreOl72: Look, I'll keep it short here: it's all about choices.

GOG made their choice, to develop/use Galaxy as a means to online MP, now it's up to you to make the choice whether you want to use it, or not.

Wishing for alternatives to Galaxy, doesn not mean getting alternatives to Galaxy.

If GOG wants you to use Galaxy to play a certain game - but you don't want to use Galaxy, then don't buy/claim that game.
Simple.
So, let me get this straight; Because GOG chooses DRM in their falsely advertised DRM-free store, we should choose to accept it or move on rather than voice our displeasure? Cool story. Why don't you choose not to open this thread and join in a discussion that obviously doesn't concern you, then? The entire point of this is that GOG wanted feedback.
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Knightspace: Or you guys are just making mountains out of molehills. Blind refusal of reality is not a good thing.
Considering GOG literally asked "What do you think about in-game content & microtransactions?" in this very survey, it sounds like your "blind refusal of reality is not a good thing" needs a little self-reflection...
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Knightspace: Lmao, ok dude. You can play Cyberpunk offline fully, you don't even have to update it. Even now, with how many patches gog removed that drastically changed the equipment and perk systems, i still have access to the game. You miss ONE shirt and ONE useless weapon.

And no, Steam is garbage because you HAVE to connect to the internet from time to time or the game won't even work for you. You can't access games at all, especially not after they detect an update.

You want to go further down this nonsensical road? Sure, do go on. Or, you can do what everyone here does and vote with your wallet. I don't buy shit that requires Galaxy to play for example. You got so hang up on this idiotic nonsense that you lost the bigger picture, as you accussed me of the same. A dumb shirt isn't an issue, a game that will make you download a launcher for a 3rd party and won't allow you to use INTEGRATED GAME MODES IS an issue. You've got your priorities fucked my friend.
Why does this straw man keep coming back with you. No one cares about missing the items. I'm not even missing the items, I use Galaxy online. I care that there are products, or parts thereof on GOG that require online activation to use. That these are cosmetic items does not matter. It is not WHAT is gated. But that has been said repeatedly, and yet it keeps coming back up. No one is arguing against this because it is a costume they don't want to miss out on. Stop trying to minimize the argument by making that claim.
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BreOl72: what you (or I or anybody, really) want, doesn't matter.
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Blastprocessor42: Patently wrong. Stores don't stay in business selling things that people don't want.
GOG's single biggest selling point over other online video game storefronts these days is its commitment to being DRM-free.
Remove that, and we all might as well just shop at Steam, which has more features and a much larger catalog of games.
But what about stores that sell stuff that people want?
You (very conveniently) ignored this:

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BreOl72: The several ten thousands that simply buy their games and install and play them over Galaxy, without caring over whether Galaxy is being liked by us here in the forum, and the ten thousands who don't care if a game comes (in parts) with DRM, because that's what they are used to anyway, despite us here being against DRM...those ten thousands are the customers that will decide the future of GOG. Not us.
I get why you left it out, of course...because nobody likes to be reminded that they're part of a tiny minority.
But the money is where the majority is.
And the majority orders their games with Galaxy (one might even say: many only buy games here on GOG, BECAUSE Galaxy is now part of the experience) and the majority will also continue to buy games here, after DRM gets applied (if ever - again: unlaid eggs).

Just remember (if you were around then) what happened in the past with games that introduced always online, or in-game purchases (lootboxes or otherwise), or whatever novelties the devs/publishers added, and which the fine people here in the forum (and in some other places - mostly game mag forums) hated with a passion and decried as "the downfall of gaming if we don't stand up now!!!"...
Oh what anger there was.
Oh what outrage there was.
Oh what threats there have been spoken (well, written).
And then?
Hundreds of thousands, if not millions,of gamers worldwide embraced all these things. They didn't mind them. At all.
And here we are again - in a forum of self-declared crusaders against "the downfall of gaming, if we don't stand up against it now!!!"

Sorry, but I can't help but feel amused.
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paladin181: Why don't you choose not to open this thread
Erm, I didn't open this thread.
But I had something to say to the thread's topic. That's why I clicked on this thread - if that's what you meant.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by BreOl72
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BreOl72: Just remember (if you were around then) what happened in the past with games that introduced always online, or in-game purchases (lootboxes or otherwise), or whatever novelties the devs/publishers added, and which the fine people here in the forum (and in some other places - mostly game mag forums) hated with a passion and decried as "the downfall of gaming if we don't stand up now!!!"...
Oh what anger there was.
Oh what outrage there was.
Oh what threats there have been spoken (well, written).
And then?
Hundreds of thousands, if not millions,of gamers worldwide embraced all these things. They didn't mind them. At all.
And here we are again - in a forum of self-declared crusaders against "the downfall of gaming, if we don't stand up against it now!!!"
I'm really not sure what your point is. Yes, the vast majority of people embraced various harmfull practices that have made gaming as a whole worse, spreading predatory practices and infringing on consumer rights. That has indeed happened. Is that supposed to be an argument for us shutting up and joining that content, brainless majority?
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Breja: I'm really not sure what your point is.
Is that supposed to be an argument for us shutting up and joining that content, brainless majority?
You know what they say about "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"?

Well, carry on.
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Breja: I'm really not sure what your point is.
Is that supposed to be an argument for us shutting up and joining that content, brainless majority?
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BreOl72: You know what they say about "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"?

Well, carry on.
I would disagree with your defeatist outlook on things, given how many times already loud protest on this forum did manage to make GOG change their mind on bad decisions they have made. If we followed your advice we'd now have Galaxy installers in every offline installer, Hitman would still be here, presumably with other similarly DRMed games already, and we wouldn't be able to turn off user profiles.

But really that's not even the heart of the matter. Sometimes an action needs to be taken or something needs to be said regardless of whether the most desired result is possible. It's a rather... sad way of looking at things: "don't protest unless it looks like you're on the winning side".