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So I'd like somewhere to upload images, perhaps even be able to share it with my friends, almost like a portfolio, perhaps, like albums, etc.

But every site I know (imgur, instagram, facebook) has dodgy T&Cs that basically give them the right to use my images, give them to their partners, advertise with them, etc.

So I figured I'd ask here, where people care and worry about such things. Some site that doesn't do this? Or will I just have to upload to my own webspace and code my own system to show the images off?
Google Drive? DeviantArt's Sta.sh? FTP?
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Darvond: Google Drive? DeviantArt's Sta.sh? FTP?
Both Google Drive and DeviantArt is included in those companies with iffy T&Cs, that let them use your content for their own purposes.
Do you want your stuff posted where anyone can find it, or is it enough to just have it linkable for those you want to share the content with?
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HereForTheBeer: Do you want your stuff posted where anyone can find it, or is it enough to just have it linkable for those you want to share the content with?
I don't REALLY mind either. I mean, if it were just about having a place to host my files, again, I could do it on my own server.
Dropbox? Or are they included in the first group as well?
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GR00T: Dropbox? Or are they included in the first group as well?
The biggest issue is "legalese". All cloud services are going to have to write terms which allow them to move your data between servers or along their networks. If its a spreadsheet or document, they may need to translate that document to a format compatible with any updates, In explaining that process, some people may find the "legalese" explanations too vague for their liking. Google Drive and Dropbox both had terms that some people read as objectionable. But if you read the terms together, they were trying to give themselves the rights to apply language translation services and the like to the data as well as the right to display your data to a group you've allowed. So if you upload a spreadsheet, Google can translate the tabs and such into German for a German user; if Google Sheets gets an update, they can translate the data to the new format.

I've seen some the the articles complaining about terms and conditions, but they seem to be cherry-picking the terms quite a bit. I don't find those terms unnecessarily broad. It reads to me, they are making a big deal about nothing. Both Google Drive and Dropbox were called out, but if you really read what they are saying (in context with the other clauses), they aren't saying anything nefarious.

Let's take Google Sheets...
You have a spreadsheet. If I want to share it, Google needs to have the right to display it. Maybe Google outsources their help services, they need to be able to share the document you are having problems with to their contractor partners. If Google Sheets gets an update which adds new features, google may need to modify the file format to store information about these new features. To make it more useful, they want the right to overlay Goggle translation services so users speaking a different language can still use it.

It comes down to the nature of cloud services. The only "service" with no T&Cs is going to be your own hard drive or CD-ROM. Any cloud services are going to demand some right to transmit, modify, send access to your data to their partners etc if necessary. If you find that objectionable, then maybe you shouldn't share it across the internet.
Post edited June 29, 2018 by RWarehall
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GR00T: Dropbox? Or are they included in the first group as well?
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RWarehall: The biggest issue is "legalese". All cloud services are going to have to write terms which allow them to move your data between servers or along their networks. If its a spreadsheet or document, they may need to translate that document to a format compatible with any updates, In explaining that process, some people may find the "legalese" explanations too vague for their liking. Google Drive and Dropbox both had terms that some people read as objectionable. But if you read the terms together, they were trying to give themselves the rights to apply language translation services and the like to the data as well as the right to display your data to a group you've allowed. So if you upload a spreadsheet, Google can translate the tabs and such into German for a German user; if Google Sheets gets an update, they can translate the data to the new format.

I've seen some the the articles complaining about terms and conditions, but they seem to be cherry-picking the terms quite a bit. I don't find those terms unnecessarily broad. It reads to me, they are making a big deal about nothing. Both Google Drive and Dropbox were called out, but if you really read what they are saying (in context with the other clauses), they aren't saying anything nefarious.

Let's take Google Sheets...
You have a spreadsheet. If I want to share it, Google needs to have the right to display it. Maybe Google outsources their help services, they need to be able to share the document you are having problems with to their contractor partners. If Google Sheets gets an update which adds new features, google may need to modify the file format to store information about these new features. To make it more useful, they want the right to overlay Goggle translation services so users speaking a different language can still use it.

It comes down to the nature of cloud services. The only "service" with no T&Cs is going to be your own hard drive or CD-ROM. Any cloud services are going to demand some right to transmit, modify, send access to your data to their partners etc if necessary. If you find that objectionable, then maybe you shouldn't share it across the internet.
Can we a have a tldr on that please?
Check out Flickr but it's probably the same. They were bought by a larger company recently too which probably added to the terms.
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Ziemowiterkens: Can we a have a tldr on that please?
The short story is that the Terms and Conditions basically say you are granting them rights to move and manipulate your data to make their cloud service work, otherwise the material is still your own. Unfortunately people read the first part and get really upset thinking they are somehow losing rights but neglecting the part that states it is for the service.

Even GoG have similar terms in its User Agreement...

12.2 As far as we and you are concerned, you own any User Generated Content but we need you to give us some limited rights over it so that we can actually transmit it through GOG services. So, we ask you to give us a non-exclusive, irrevocable licence to use, modify, reproduce, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, communicate and publicly display/perform your User Generated Content in connection with GOG services.
Nothing put on the internet will ever be under your control. Even the most stringent, law enforced, lockdown site is weaker than a Swiss cheese at water carrying. Take the same scenario of putting a Polaroid on the street, people will look at as they go by, maybe take pictures, a few may try to steal it. The internet is the same but multiples up a billion times. Every bit of data will be scanned, and added to various database, file will be moved about, possibly with varying regions and laws etc. For business use there are things like safe havens and such like, but they are really just empty reassurances, there is nothing you can do to really secure anything online. Want to share pictures with friends, take a photo reel round to their house one night with some beers and a curry.
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nightcraw1er.488: Nothing put on the internet will ever be under your control. Even the most stringent, law enforced, lockdown site is weaker than a Swiss cheese at water carrying. Take the same scenario of putting a Polaroid on the street, people will look at as they go by, maybe take pictures, a few may try to steal it. The internet is the same but multiples up a billion times. Every bit of data will be scanned, and added to various database, file will be moved about, possibly with varying regions and laws etc. For business use there are things like safe havens and such like, but they are really just empty reassurances, there is nothing you can do to really secure anything online. Want to share pictures with friends, take a photo reel round to their house one night with some beers and a curry.
Does it have to be beer and curry?
Post edited June 29, 2018 by Ziemowiterkens
This talks about social Media sites and stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sl9ZF1wcX4
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nightcraw1er.488: Nothing put on the internet will ever be under your control. Even the most stringent, law enforced, lockdown site is weaker than a Swiss cheese at water carrying. Take the same scenario of putting a Polaroid on the street, people will look at as they go by, maybe take pictures, a few may try to steal it. The internet is the same but multiples up a billion times. Every bit of data will be scanned, and added to various database, file will be moved about, possibly with varying regions and laws etc. For business use there are things like safe havens and such like, but they are really just empty reassurances, there is nothing you can do to really secure anything online. Want to share pictures with friends, take a photo reel round to their house one night with some beers and a curry.
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Ziemowiterkens: Does it have to be beer and curry?
No, it can be anything you like, but I don't eat fish and really favour beer ;o)
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babark: So I'd like somewhere to upload images, perhaps even be able to share it with my friends, almost like a portfolio, perhaps, like albums, etc.

But every site I know (imgur, instagram, facebook) has dodgy T&Cs that basically give them the right to use my images, give them to their partners, advertise with them, etc.

So I figured I'd ask here, where people care and worry about such things. Some site that doesn't do this? Or will I just have to upload to my own webspace and code my own system to show the images off?
There are some "private" image sites, but they are often shoddly run, badly put together and sometimes they do more stealing then the big sites or are overrun with questionable content.