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kohlrak: Yeah, they're offended and outraged on behalf of someone else. They're not genuinely concerned about the issue, or they'd spend much, much more effort. It's like the people who come to me saying they want to learn programming, but then can't be bothered to learn things like hex-decimal or binary. Oh no, the concept of assignment is too difficult and burdensome. Frankly, i'm sick of wasting my time on these "students."
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Orkhepaj: what do they need those for?
Assignment is fundamental. If you don't understand assignment, you can't deal with return values. As for binary and hex-decimal, you need those for masking.as well as the SHL, SHR, and & optimizations for multiplication, division, and remainder respectively.
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paladin181: And if the government isn't altruistic? They are representative of the people and elected by the people. They, however do not always act in the interest of the people. Without cheques and balances, nothing stops the federal government from overstepping its authorities (tyranny in the words of the second amendment). The militias were to be a balance against the federal government. Since the modern militias a little more than arms of the federal government, it is imperative that the people be able to protect themselves from a tyrannical overstep by the government. No, not every exercise of authority or overreach is tyranny, but eventually they will lead to such if the government is not held in check by the people.

I think we should get a little closer to topic though and talk about limp noodle lawmakers smashing their heads into the brick wall that is censorship of video games in the face of the first amendment.
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Gudadantza: The most important things created in the american revolution or in the french revolution later exported to all liberal democracies were the sepaparation of three powers and that is and was what effectivelly controls the unbalance risk of tyranny from the executive power etc. Not an uncontroled right to bear arms for all. The legislations and the society and the country itself is much more complex today that in 1800.
The fact is that the second ammendment does not want to be contextualized at all. And it is the ammmendment most affected by its historical reality and context.

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And about the OP itself it reminds me old 1990 when religious sectors and ultraconservative wing sectors tried to ban videogames as well, or movies. etc.

As a whole they where the same who were extreme defenders of the second ammendsment "as is", whitout any control.

“We all declare for Liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleased with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor.”

Abraham Lincoln

Change "product of his labour" with "his liberty to watch and play any videogame" and the famous quote will fit well.
II think the part you're missing is that the opoint of the second amendment is to have people who have guns for the purpose of using them against the government, not foreign invaders. If you don't understand that, i odn't know how you claim to have any notion contextualizing. You claim context is necessary, but you fail to actually find the low-hanging fruit of the context: we weren't to trust government. The average person was meant to be the final check on the system.
Post edited February 25, 2021 by kohlrak
Let's see...

Before GTA was released they had a higher crime stats on especially car-jacking (aka GTA) and assault. So, using Chicago logic - GTA have actually helped in reducing crimes since now they can do it virtually without any consequences.

Why don't they advocate like that instead?
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kohlrak: Ridiculous to you, but not to everyone. In fact, your "failure to see the truth" is viewed as ridiculous to those people.
It pays to read what I actually do say, and not make assumptions about what I didn't.

For starters, I never claimed one way or another about whether violence in video games is good or bad ... or at what point, which was not mentioned in the title of this thread.

There are many things in this world that I don't like, but I am not fool enough to even consider trying to change many of them.

Facts and logistics speak louder than idealist notions that are not well grounded.

That said, I do support many things that are difficult to change, you just need to be sensible about how you go about that change, and realize, at least in the beginning, it's generally gonna be a hard slog and take a good while. It's a bit like picking your battles, and not making sacrifices for nothing. Generally it is all about bringing the people with you.
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wolfsite: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/illinois-state-rep-wants-to-ban-violent-video-games

This would be a full ban regardless of age, apparently he is blaming the rise of car jackings on video games..... rather than doing some real work.

This is clearly garbage as time and time again it has been proven that there is no correlation between violent video games and any type of crime or misdemeanor.
Next they'll ban Journey because it promotes sand abuse
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wolfsite: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/illinois-state-rep-wants-to-ban-violent-video-games

This would be a full ban regardless of age, apparently he is blaming the rise of car jackings on video games..... rather than doing some real work.

This is clearly garbage as time and time again it has been proven that there is no correlation between violent video games and any type of crime or misdemeanor.
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slurredprey: Next they'll ban Journey because it promotes sand abuse
did you like that one? I found it boring
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kohlrak: Ridiculous to you, but not to everyone. In fact, your "failure to see the truth" is viewed as ridiculous to those people.
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Timboli: It pays to read what I actually do say, and not make assumptions about what I didn't.

For starters, I never claimed one way or another about whether violence in video games is good or bad ... or at what point, which was not mentioned in the title of this thread.

There are many things in this world that I don't like, but I am not fool enough to even consider trying to change many of them.

Facts and logistics speak louder than idealist notions that are not well grounded.

That said, I do support many things that are difficult to change, you just need to be sensible about how you go about that change, and realize, at least in the beginning, it's generally gonna be a hard slog and take a good while. It's a bit like picking your battles, and not making sacrifices for nothing. Generally it is all about bringing the people with you.
Lemme point out i wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you. I was agreeing, pointing out the flaw is that you seem to underestimate the size of these people's bubbles. I figured you'd be able to figure that out by actualyl reading what i wrote.

EDIT: Incase you need a tl;dr version: There's a tangible difference between Urban, Suburban, and rural culture that's not easy to solve, and while you'll see varying opinions within those large groups, they'll most definitely lean one way or another. Just look at US election maps of "red" vs "blue," then find out what explains these random blue blots. Enclosed image is a preview of what you'll find (and no, while i do dispute the results, the meme you see applies to almost all recent elections in the US, and isn't commenatary on fraud).
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Post edited February 26, 2021 by kohlrak
Gun control saves lives.

It's been shown.
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rojimboo: Gun control saves lives.

It's been shown.
ofc the 6m+ jewish victim under nazi rule clearly showed it ...
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Orkhepaj: ofc the 6m+ jewish victim under nazi rule clearly showed it ...
Wait, you think civilian Polish Jews with some firearms could have stopped or prevented or reduced the impact of the military Nazi invasion of their country if their entire army got obliterated in a short matter of time?

What are you on right now? I want some.

I'm not really interested in your creative interpretation of world history or justifying gun homicide rates with the freedom to bear arms. I stated one thing, that has been shown in studies. You can disagree with it all you like, but it doesn't change that fact.

If you'd like to know more about this and the studies, let me know. But don't you dare use an atroscity to justify your political viewpoints. To be fair, this research is almost wholely based on the outlier in gun homicide rates, the US, as it's much less of an issue in other developed countries.
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Orkhepaj: ofc the 6m+ jewish victim under nazi rule clearly showed it ...
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rojimboo: Wait, you think civilian Polish Jews with some firearms could have stopped or prevented or reduced the impact of the military Nazi invasion of their country if their entire army got obliterated in a short matter of time?

What are you on right now? I want some.

I'm not really interested in your creative interpretation of world history or justifying gun homicide rates with the freedom to bear arms. I stated one thing, that has been shown in studies. You can disagree with it all you like, but it doesn't change that fact.

If you'd like to know more about this and the studies, let me know. But don't you dare use an atroscity to justify your political viewpoints. To be fair, this research is almost wholely based on the outlier in gun homicide rates, the US, as it's much less of an issue in other developed countries.
yup im sure it would have been much harder for the germans not only to invade but to control the country
guess why uk supplied french and other resistances with weapons? :O oh wait they forgot to read your studies how silly of them
fact is your studies are useless and probably fake
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Orkhepaj: yup im sure it would have been much harder for the germans not only to invade but to control the country
guess why uk supplied french and other resistances with weapons? :O oh wait they forgot to read your studies how silly of them
fact is your studies are useless and probably fake
Whilst the resistance movement was very important, it would have been nothing without armies to back them up. I can't believe I even had to write that out. But sure sure, civilian arms prevent foreign military invasions. SHould prove useful when an armored division is bearing on your country and your military was already trampled. At least you got your pistol! No more need to shoot your fellow neighbour at least. Just point and shoot. Or pray and spray. Or something.

Anyways, you've defeated me with your facts and logic. How will I ever recover from your outstanding display of wit and intellect.

*goes back to reading useless and fake studies about gun control saving lives*

Here it is more defined, if you like. Gun control saves lives post WW2 in the US and other developed nations. Happy now?
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Orkhepaj: yup im sure it would have been much harder for the germans not only to invade but to control the country
guess why uk supplied french and other resistances with weapons? :O oh wait they forgot to read your studies how silly of them
fact is your studies are useless and probably fake
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rojimboo: Whilst the resistance movement was very important, it would have been nothing without armies to back them up. I can't believe I even had to write that out. But sure sure, civilian arms prevent foreign military invasions. SHould prove useful when an armored division is bearing on your country and your military was already trampled. At least you got your pistol! No more need to shoot your fellow neighbour at least. Just point and shoot. Or pray and spray. Or something.

Anyways, you've defeated me with your facts and logic. How will I ever recover from your outstanding display of wit and intellect.

*goes back to reading useless and fake studies about gun control saving lives*

Here it is more defined, if you like. Gun control saves lives post WW2 in the US and other developed nations. Happy now?
this clearly shows, people should be able to buy antitank weapons
and still history showed invaders leave if keeping the territory becomes way too costly
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Orkhepaj: this clearly shows, people should be able to buy antitank weapons
An RPG or a bazooka in every home! What could possibly go wrong??

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Orkhepaj: and still history showed invaders leave if keeping the territory becomes way too costly
This has nothing to do with peacetime gun control. I'm not sure you get that.
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Orkhepaj: this clearly shows, people should be able to buy antitank weapons
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rojimboo: An RPG or a bazooka in every home! What could possibly go wrong??

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Orkhepaj: and still history showed invaders leave if keeping the territory becomes way too costly
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rojimboo: This has nothing to do with peacetime gun control. I'm not sure you get that.
so what could go wrong? and why would it be in every home?
ah you really think that allowing people to buy guns is making it mandatory to own guns ? :D
nice logic...
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Orkhepaj: so what could go wrong? and why would it be in every home?
ah you really think that allowing people to buy guns is making it mandatory to own guns ? :D
nice logic...
Even if you knew what a strawman was, it would do literally zero good to point yours out.

So enjoy slaying your men made out of hay, I got better things to do. Like picking my nose. Let me know when you want to discuss things about gun control saving lives.