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All these games have a disclaimer. Don't go past it.

I don't like these games either, I am not even interested enough to see what the content is about.
So a magazine/web site wrote a bad review, eh?


No really, just ignore that crap and move on.
Post edited December 29, 2022 by neumi5694
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atmasabr: I would say this here, since this is the closest thing to a comment box this website has.

In 2013, The CRPG Addict write about the first 1989 Rance game as, quite simply, a game about rape as a core game mechanic. I've watched more than enough of the game on Youtube LPs to agree with him, and I'm more than a little disturbed it's being sold on Gog.com

Some select quotes from his review

"Literally every major plot point in the game involves a sexual assault of some sort"

"I do not, in contrast, think that you could enjoy Rance without enjoying the idea of raping women. There is, after all, no internal reason for rape in a game. Enemies you kill in games are obstacles to overcome; items you steal are steps towards wealth and power. But there is nothing that you can accomplish, no puzzle that you can solve, no quest that you can achieve through rape that you could not also achieve through not raping.

And Rance makes no secret about expecting the player to enjoy the rapes. It graphically describes them. It provides anguished, pleading dialogue for the victims. What disturbs me more than the idea that someone made such a game is that there must be players who enjoy it--who molest and sodomize their way through the quest with smiles on their faces.

Rance's own reactions and statements are tailored to such players..."

I am thinking not even the $5 I'm considering throwing at the game that's 90-ish% off on sale is worth patronizing the same website that is selling this game. Seriously, I lost my appetite, but we'll see if that lasts. I hope it's taken down.
Man, it's just a game, if you don't like those game, just skip them.
It's like think because you like Call of Duty you like to shoot people, or because you play Mortal Kombat you are a sadistic f***er. Maybe this is new for you but games are not real.
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neumi5694: All these games have a disclaimer. Don't go past it.
your comment reminded me of this picture.
don't pay attention to me, though.
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neumi5694: All these games have a disclaimer. Don't go past it.
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LynXsh: your comment reminded me of this picture.
XD This is so true...sad, but true.
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atmasabr: "Literally every major plot point in the game involves a sexual assault of some sort"

"I do not, in contrast, think that you could enjoy Rance without enjoying the idea of raping women. There is, after all, no internal reason for rape in a game. Enemies you kill in games are obstacles to overcome; items you steal are steps towards wealth and power. But there is nothing that you can accomplish, no puzzle that you can solve, no quest that you can achieve through rape that you could not also achieve through not raping.

And Rance makes no secret about expecting the player to enjoy the rapes. It graphically describes them. It provides anguished, pleading dialogue for the victims. What disturbs me more than the idea that someone made such a game is that there must be players who enjoy it--who molest and sodomize their way through the quest with smiles on their faces.

Rance's own reactions and statements are tailored to such players..."
Looking at this again, they seem to have formulated my own thoughts much better than I did.
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DoomSooth: Violence would be next.
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WinterSnowfall: it's a rather common sexual fantasy, according to some sources at least.
Fantasizing about characters purposely drawn to look like over-developed minors is common? When did that happen and why?

How many games are like that?

Ok, now tell me how many violent games allow you to harm minors.

In most of the violent games I've seen, you're usually killing "the bad guys". One of the reasons people like Wolfenstein so much is because we get to kill nazis. It's certainly one of the reasons I like it. If you want to call it fantasizing about killing the bad guys then fine. You get to kill the bad guys *and* save the world. That's good and heroic, right? Even if you're playing something like Hatred and your character is evil, you're still not killing children. I haven't seen any, anyway.

The only game I can think of that allows you to kill children, right now, is Fallout II. I've played Fallout II but never killed any of the kids. If they turned out to be evil kids then I'd say have at it. I've heard there's a way to kill the evil kids in Dying Light but it might involve cheating or just be a bug.

How does that compare to what someone does with/to/for animé children in "adult" games with full or partial nudity? Is there any instance where getting your jollies on fantasizing about kids that way can be considered acceptable? I don't think so. It doesn't defeat any bad guys or save the world, even if those kids are "the bad guys".

"Oh, but this character isn't a child. It's an avatar of <whoever> that's actually <random number over 18> years old. They only look like they're <random age under 18>."

No, thanks. I'll pass.

"But... muh ageplay."

Nope. If I want to play with fire, I'll do it in a violent game.
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DoomSooth: In most of the violent games I've seen, you're usually killing "the bad guys".
By far not all of them. There are more than enough games where you actually play the bad guy. In the most successful ones you play gangsters and drug dealers. "But as long as it's not children, it's ok" ... I call that bullshit.

Yes, we all agree: Hurting children is bad. But hurting humans in general is bad. So if you are protesting against this game because it implies something bad, you must do the same with most other games. There are hardly any games where you don't do something bad.

You don't like these? Well, I don't like these games either. But the games in question here however says explicitly that the characters are NOT minors. You are critisizing what you make out of these games.
In JP dressing up like dolls or kids is a lifestyle (and not just in a sexual way), for these people everything has to be cute, small and cuddly, no matter the context. They even made a cat a police officer for better reactions from certain people. It's your interpretation of the whole thing that is the problem.
Post edited December 29, 2022 by neumi5694
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DoomSooth: Fantasizing about characters purposely drawn to look like over-developed minors is common? When did that happen and why?
That's not what WinterSnowfall was talking about. (No other comment because I think you're probably trolling.)
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FrostburnPhoenix: That's not what WinterSnowfall was talking about. (No other comment because I think you're probably trolling.)
Believe what you want. Have you seen games like those? I looked into a random one to see what the big deal is about those animé games. I have no interest in seeing that kind of mess in a game.
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DoomSooth: Fantasizing about characters purposely drawn to look like over-developed minors is common? When did that happen and why?

How many games are like that?
You can thank Japan for that "cultural trend", the land where some women in their late 30s and 40s play dress-up and pretend to be high-schoolers and middle-schoolers.

To support my argument, I'll simply ask how many games are you aware of with such "minor characters" which are not hentai or anime inspired?

Beyond the morality of it all, which is a moot discussion, because we're talking about video games here, not real life - this appears to be if not socially acceptable, then at least socially tolerable in its culture of origin.

If you are worried about people who are playing these games actually acting on their rape fantasies with underage fictional characters which are hand drawn, let me ask you this - considering I have lost count of how many "people" (aka NPCs) I have ruthlessly sent to their deaths in video games, should I be considered somewhat of a psychotic killer, along with probably the large majority of FPS & RPG gamers?

If we were to prosecute people on what they thought of in their minds or lived in fantasy worlds, not based on their actions, 3/4 of the global population would be in jail, I'm sure.

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DoomSooth: I've heard there's a way to kill the evil kids in Dying Light but it might involve cheating or just be a bug.
Funny you should mention that, because I just finished the game. There are 2 instances where you run across child zombies in the game, and you "get rid of them" by snapping their necks. I have to admit I was surprised Techland got away with it or chose to do it in the first place. It certainly has an effect on the player when you run into them rather unexpectedly. It's not a cheat or a bug, but rather a part of the overall horror theme of the game.
Post edited December 29, 2022 by WinterSnowfall
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WinterSnowfall: If you are worried about people who are playing these games actually acting on their rape fantasies with underage fictional characters which are hand drawn, let me ask you this - considering I have lost count of how many "people" (aka NPCs) I have ruthlessly sent to their deaths in video games, should I be considered somewhat of a psychotic killer, along with probably the large majority of FPS & RPG gamers?
Violence and the other have existed long before video games. I was explaining why, for me, that violence can at least have a positive outcome while the other just has... nevermind. Pac-Man can eat the bad guys, after he pops a big pill. Am I a psycho for playing Pac-Man? Certainly not. Am I a psycho because I've played and like Hatred or Postal? I don't think so but it's fine if someone wants to think of me that way.

Nobody is going to convince me that naked children in video games is acceptable, even if those kids are the worst kids to ever exist.

Edit: The kids in Dying Light I was talking about are the ones that lure you into the warehouse with the demolisher. There's supposed to be a way for you to kill them with molotovs but I never tried it. Those kids are evil.
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DoomSooth: Nobody is going to convince me that naked children in video games is acceptable, even if those kids are the worst kids to ever exist.
The fallacy of your argument, which I fully understand if we extend it to reality, is that they are not children and that this depiction of hand-drawn cute minor-looking big eyed girls is indeed in a video game.

If you must worry about something, please worry about the real cases of underage child trafficking, underage child marriages and abuse which are still common in certain parts of the world, not about some eroge cultural offshoot fantasy-land depiction in video games.

My 2 cents.
Post edited December 29, 2022 by WinterSnowfall
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WinterSnowfall: If you must worry about something, please worry about the real cases of underage minor trafficking, underage forced marriages and abuse which are still common in certain parts of the world, not about some eroge cultural offshoot fantasy-land depiction in video games.

My 2 cents.
They're drawn to look like kids. That's enough for me. Not interested. Don't want to see it, video game or not.
Post edited December 29, 2022 by DoomSooth
Those Japanese games are only for sickoes and weirdoes anyway.
It is so odd to see these sorts of discussions still going on. Usually, x-rated games have their own little shady corner for their own shady little customers, most of the time, certainly not featured main stage.

I simply don't understand why these type of games are not treated similar.
Post edited December 29, 2022 by Zimerius