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Aquarium78: It is truly ironic, because original goal of gog store was to fix old games being incompatible with modern operating systems ...
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Meyniro: Yes, and now 7 is not a modern operating system. It was released 11(!) years ago.
Supporting old games is one thing, but supporting old systems is another.
Windows 7 NOT modern anymore? What is wrong suddenly with the Windows 7 Dekstop (look&feel)? And "spyware Windows 10" ist for you a solution? I think you tend to exaggerate!
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Meyniro: Yes, and now 7 is not a modern operating system. It was released 11(!) years ago.
Supporting old games is one thing, but supporting old systems is another.
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MFED: Windows 7 NOT modern anymore? What is wrong suddenly with the Windows 7 Dekstop (look&feel)? And "spyware Windows 10" ist for you a solution? I think you tend to exaggerate!
I think that it's a little hard to argue that an OS is modern when it's almost 11 years old. You can argue that it's still solid and worth using and that the newer OSes aren't actually better, but it's hard to argue that it's modern.

Regardless, if Microsoft had continued to provide driver and security updates to Windows 7, then it would have been fine to use it and might even have been perfectly reasonable to expect major software to support it. However, Microsoft has ended support, which makes it an ever increasing security risk to run it if you're connected to the internet. So, while Windows 10 definitely has problems, it's increasingly foolish to run Windows 7 on any machine connected to the internet - just like you shouldn't be running XP or Vista on any machine connected to the internet (though obviously, in their cases, the situation is that much worse, because they've gone longer without security updates). Anyone who wishes to continue to run Windows 7 in spite of the risks is free to do so, and it makes perfect sense to be pissed at Microsoft over what they've done with Windows 10, but it's unreasonable to expect companies to support programs running on Windows 7 when Microsoft isn't supporting it anymore.

And on top of all of the security risks, there are solid development reasons for not wanting to support such an old operating system. There are APIs and frameworks which exist and are supported for Windows 10 but which not only aren't supported on Windows 7 but have actually never existed for Windows 7. And of course, anyone supporting an application on Windows 7 is going to have to spend time and money testing on Windows 7 and fixing issues specific to it. So, from a development standpoint, it really doesn't make much sense at this point to support Windows 7 (especially for a smaller outfit like GoG).

Personally, I wish that Windows 10 did not have the spyware that it does, and that's one reason why I do not run it as my primary OS, but given the security risks involved, running Windows 7 is only going to become more and more foolish over time unless you avoid connecting it to the internet. Ultimately, anyone using Windows 7 is going to need to either switch to Windows 10 or stop using Windows if they don't want to run a high risk of getting infected by some kind of virus or other malware. It's a frustrating situation to say the least, but unfortunately, that's just the way that it is.
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Meyniro: Yes, and now 7 is not a modern operating system. It was released 11(!) years ago.
Supporting old games is one thing, but supporting old systems is another.
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MFED: Windows 7 NOT modern anymore? What is wrong suddenly with the Windows 7 Dekstop (look&feel)? And "spyware Windows 10" ist for you a solution? I think you tend to exaggerate!
Look and feel being competent and standing up to modern requirements isn't what "modern" means. And literally having existed for 11 years is what "not modern any more" means in terms of software development.

That said, Windows 7 *IS* still one of the most widely-used OSes in the market, even if there is a valid argument to say it's not modern and no longer supported. So yes, maintaining support for Win7 users *IS* a valid and realistic expectation even when MS isn't supporting it themselves any more. There's almost an order of magnitude more Windows 7 systems than Win8 and Win8.1 combined. And there are more Win7 users than there are for every single other OS except Win10 at this point in time. So that's a thing.
Post edited May 25, 2020 by obliviondoll
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MFED: Windows 7 NOT modern anymore? What is wrong suddenly with the Windows 7 Dekstop (look&feel)? And "spyware Windows 10" ist for you a solution? I think you tend to exaggerate!
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obliviondoll: Look and feel being competent and standing up to modern requirements isn't what "modern" means. And literally having existed for 11 years is what "not modern any more" means in terms of software development.

That said, Windows 7 *IS* still one of the most widely-used OSes in the market, even if there is a valid argument to say it's not modern and no longer supported. So yes, maintaining support for Win7 users *IS* a valid and realistic expectation even when MS isn't supporting it themselves any more. There's almost an order of magnitude more Windows 7 systems than Win8 and Win8.1 combined. And there are more Win7 users than there are for every single other OS except Win10 at this point in time. So that's a thing.
What use are modern OS like Windows 10 with thousands "Interception points" (spying points) and security updates inclusive Microsoft-spyware?

GOG/CD Projekt nowadays do love just Windows 10... maybe YOU know any useful answers to this question?
Post edited May 30, 2020 by MFED
Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft and does not get any further security updates. To continue using this old operating system is therefore a great risk. If even the manufacturer no longer supports this product, it is only natural that the service providers no longer support it either. I do not understand what there is still to discuss.
Post edited May 25, 2020 by Advanced89
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Advanced89: Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft and does not get any further security updates. To continue using this old operating system is therefore a great risk. If even the manufacturer no longer supports this product, it is only natural that the service providers no longer support it either. I do not understand what there is still to discuss.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that it's still the second most widely used OS in the market by such a wide margin that every single other competing OS except the one ahead of it added together have less of a market share than it does?
For me, this has less to do with ignoring facts than with the fact that it is, in my opinion, simply negligent to work with an operating system that no longer receives security updates. I myself avoided Windows 10 until the very last moment possible and used Windows 7 instead. But this is just not a reasonable thing to do by now. And therefore I can understand that service providers do not want to support old operating systems anymore.
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Advanced89: For me, this has less to do with ignoring facts than with the fact that it is, in my opinion, simply negligent to work with an operating system that no longer receives security updates. I myself avoided Windows 10 until the very last moment possible and used Windows 7 instead. But this is just not a reasonable thing to do by now. And therefore I can understand that service providers do not want to support old operating systems anymore.
So yes, you are ignoring the fact that it LITERALLY HAS MORE MARKET SHARE THAN THE COMBINED PRESENCE OF EVERY SINGLE OTHER OPERATING SYSTEM ON THE MARKET EXCEPT FOR WINDOWS 10. Because you're insisting that this fact, which remains the most central fact in the discussion, doesn't matter. There is no good reason to ignore this fact. This is the basis on which any rational business decision about supporting an OS is going to be based. Not whether it's got the ongoing support of its creators. But how widespread its ongoing use is. And when that ongoing use is literally the majority of the market other than the singular dominant force in the market, ignoring it is objectively bad for business.

It's objective fact that dropping support for Windows 7 - at the point where the client actually stops working on the OS - is worse for business than supporting exactly Windows 10 and 7 and no other OS in existence.
Post edited May 25, 2020 by obliviondoll
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Advanced89: For me, this has less to do with ignoring facts than with the fact that it is, in my opinion, simply negligent to work with an operating system that no longer receives security updates. I myself avoided Windows 10 until the very last moment possible and used Windows 7 instead. But this is just not a reasonable thing to do by now. And therefore I can understand that service providers do not want to support old operating systems anymore.
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obliviondoll: So yes, you are ignoring the fact that it LITERALLY HAS MORE MARKET SHARE THAN THE COMBINED PRESENCE OF EVERY SINGLE OTHER OPERATING SYSTEM ON THE MARKET EXCEPT FOR WINDOWS 10. Because you're insisting that this fact, which remains the most central fact in the discussion, doesn't matter. There is no good reason to ignore this fact. This is the basis on which any rational business decision about supporting an OS is going to be based. Not whether it's got the ongoing support of its creators. But how widespread its ongoing use is. And when that ongoing use is literally the majority of the market other than the singular dominant force in the market, ignoring it is objectively bad for business.

It's objective fact that dropping support for Windows 7 - at the point where the client actually stops working on the OS - is worse for business than supporting exactly Windows 10 and 7 and no other OS in existence.
still using windows 7 is a security risk. just because the stupid mass still uses it doesnt mean you have to support it. upgrade to win 10, use software to stop the data collecting youre so afraid of and be happy. stop having these stupid tin foil hat arguments
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obliviondoll: So you're just going to ignore the fact that it's still the second most widely used OS in the market by such a wide margin that every single other competing OS except the one ahead of it added together have less of a market share than it does?
win 10 64bit is used by over 90% of gamers, win 7 64bit by just over 6%. just let it go already
Post edited May 25, 2020 by Bustacap
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Bustacap: win 10 64bit is used by over 90% of gamers, win 7 64bit by just over 6%. just let it go already
Source?

Here's mine:
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199373/windows-by-the-numbers-windows-share-shrinks-linux-surges-wait-linux.html

Not gaming-specific, but Win10 is just over 50% of the market and Win7 is more than 25% which leaves less than 25% to hit 100. So, like I said, more of the market than the sum total of every other OS except Win10.

And the only gaming-related source I can find actually-reliable numbers for:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Windows 10: over 86%
Windows 7: over 6% (almost 6% just counting the 64-bit version)
ALL MacOS versions combined: 4%
ALL Linux versions combined: <1%

On those numbers, Win7 isn't quite more than all non-WIn10 options put together, but still more than all non-Windows OSes combined, as well as more than double all other non-10 versions of Windows combined. So my point remains with only minor adjustment to the exact details.

So... yeah. Got a source for your claimed figures?
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Bustacap: win 10 64bit is used by over 90% of gamers, win 7 64bit by just over 6%. just let it go already
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obliviondoll: Source?
steam, adjusted for windows only
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obliviondoll: Source?
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Bustacap: steam, adjusted for windows only
So adjusting the numbers in a way that makes them entirely irrelevant to the point I was making then? And by your numbers, actually supports my original claim more accurately than the relevant numbers from Steam anyway...

Sounds reasonable.
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obliviondoll: Windows 10: over 86%
Windows 7: over 6% (almost 6% just counting the 64-bit version)
ALL MacOS versions combined: 4%
ALL Linux versions combined: <1%
Somehow, I really doubt that 6% is enough for an outfit as small as GoG to care - especially when unlike Steam, the client isn't required to install or run games, and that 6% is just going to keep on shrinking. As it is, plenty of new games haven't officially supported Windows 7 for a while now (e.g. it's not uncommon to get threads on Steam asking whether a particular game works with Windows 7, because its requirements list Windows 10; usually, the answer is that the game works anyway, but it's not supported). GoG Galaxy 2.0 is just doing the same thing. It doesn't officially support Windows 10, but they don't try to stop you from running it on Windows 7 either. So, you may be lucky, and it will continue to work on Windows 7 for a while, or it may not.

Anyone who really wants to continue to use Windows 7 in spite of the security risks is free to do so, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea or that companies need to spend their time and resources supporting it, and plenty of them decided to stop supporting it for their products well before Microsoft did. So, clearly, that 6% is not enough for many companies to care, and since that 6% is just going to shrink, the incentive for companies to care is just going to continue to shrink.

Sure, there are problems with Windows 10, and there are people who don't want to upgrade from Windows 7, but without security updates, continuing to run Windows 7 is just begging for trouble, and it's been a small enough segment of the market for a while now for plenty of companies to not explicitly support it for a while - especially in gaming.
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Erynar: Somehow, I really doubt that 6% is enough for an outfit as small as GoG to care
Except the part where they provide support for OSes which, across multiple separate versions and multiple OSes combined, have less than 6% of the market...

And the part where if you look at not just Steam numbers (which aren't necessarily reflective of gamers as a whole) and at all PC users, the numbers are far, *FAR* less extreme. And GOG is "good OLD games" for a reason, and can realistically be expected to have a notably higher instance of users still running Win7.

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Erynar: it's been a small enough segment of the market for a while now
Still literally second largest segment of the market by a HUGE margin no matter what numbers you look at... but ok.
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obliviondoll: Except the part where they provide support for OSes which, across multiple separate versions and multiple OSes combined, have less than 6% of the market...

And the part where if you look at not just Steam numbers (which aren't necessarily reflective of gamers as a whole) and at all PC users, the numbers are far, *FAR* less extreme. And GOG is "good OLD games" for a reason, and can realistically be expected to have a notably higher instance of users still running Win7.

Still literally second largest segment of the market by a HUGE margin no matter what numbers you look at... but ok.
youre still completely ignoring the security aspect. also gog hasnt stood for good old games for a long time now