Hello, CDPR

As you know many people still use processors that are but extremely capable and powerful otherwise like the 990x I'm using at 4.6Ghz. It can run any modern game with very high FPS together with my 1080Ti. However some games have parts where AVX is needed and it's a pain, so much so that Larian has released a patch removing AVX need from Baldur's Gate 3 for example, because it was so sporadically needed for the game it was unfair to require users the NEED of an AVX capable CPU just to load small parts of the game that require it.

Case in point, I run every introduction and tutorial of Cyberpunk 2077 with the above said hardware at high settings, 45~80 FPS all the time, but in each introduction there is a part where it crashes (everytime in the same part) because it sends AVX instructions to my CPU (i7 990x six core 4.6Ghz, otherwise more than capable of running the game) which does not support it.

I see many people with the same problem and most of the people online currently complaining about the game constantly crashing and not knowing why since they meet the minimum requirements (a 990x six core at 4.6Ghz is MUCH faster and superior than the CPUs listed at your minimum requirements) do have this exact problem: their CPU does not support AVX.

Please, let me and the community know when will there be a patch for non AVX CPU compatible players enjoy the game. Thank you very much.

PS: it was never stated anywhere that AVX was NEEDED to run the game and from what I see it's ridiculous to limit the game just because a few instructions here and there, rather I believe the game can run just fine without AVX maybe with a slowdown in some areas just like Baldur's Gate 3 does thanks to Larian's patch for non AVX users.

The problem is in people not really understanding what the Min Specs really means. You read i5-3570k and said to yourself "Pfft, mine might be older than that but it's way faster so it'll be fine!" but you didn't consider that they make this a minimum for a lot of reasons that aren't speed related, it has a lot to do with compatibility too, for example here, AVX is one particular issue.

You actually DON'T meet the min specs here. Your CPU is well outdated and not well supported anymore unfortunately. They probably never stated AVX anywhere because the assumption is that if you have an i5-3570k or higher you'll have AVX supported.

This. It's the same issue with PS4 and Xbox One. Why did they bother to make it compatible for seven year old hardware. Instead of optimzing it for modern systems they wasted time on obsolete tech.

Devs need to stop wasting time catering to users with outdated hardware. You have to upgrade at some point. You can't keep expecting devs to meet the needs of such a tiny percentage of the user base at the expense of everyone else that has upgraded.

Yeah, it seems like such a tiny percentage that are flooding this very forum at the moment...
I'm in the same boat, my CPU is basically the same (W3680) and can run any game I throw at it. Yet it is never stated anywhere that the game needs AVX to run, and me being able to run it at 45-65FPS during the tutorial missions shows that it's indeed still completely capable.

It's discontinued. Therefore outdated tech. It's even older than PS4 and Xbox One lol. Why are you trying to hold onto the past?

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/52585/intel-core-i7-990x-processor-extreme-edition-12m-cache-3-46-ghz-6-40-gt-s-intel-qpi.html



Processor Number
i7-990X

Status
Discontinued

Launch Date
Q1'11

And so what? It's still much more powerful than the minimum requirements they gave for 1080p gaming for Cyberpunk...

If AVX is a requirement then they need to list it. There are month's old posts in the forum where people asked and they ignored.

I have a G4560, is a little bit slower than the minimal, but is a 7 generation intel processor. It is more modern, it have more features (hyperthreading, virtualization), but it does not have avx.

I can run the game just fine up to the crashing points (nomad enter city), and can even skip the crashes and play normally using a save workaround, but now this workaround does not work on a main story mission, so i can't progress.

The game barely uses the avx instructions. so why even have it? It is not like is fundamental to the engine.

I really hope they path this out, i can't just go out and buy a i3 7100, even used it is still 1/3 of my montly salary where i live. I literally had to budget around for months just to buy the game.

Isn't there a way to write code so if AVX is present, it's used, and if it's not, it doesn't -fucking crash-? I'm pretty sure that's a thing...

And waaay more powerful than a PS4Pro or any of the processors listed in their minimum specs. But you sure go ahead and enjoy the game. If you just feel like newer = faster you just don't get it anywas. Yes, there is. Since the game actually runs very well at 45~80FPS medium ~high graphics otherwise in the system in question. I just lacks the AVX for very brief specific transitional moments. Which is just a waste, to exclude a whole lot of processors and users that are right now having the same problem (many without even knowing what it is) just because of that.

Again, many other developers seen the mistake they done not to include a workaround in the engine for non AVX compliant processors and did patched their games to run well without it (Horizon Zero Dawn, Baldur's Gate 3 and some Ubisoft games come to mind) so it's common practice and nothing really hard. And that's why people whom are crashing to desktop during introduction missions always at the very same spots all must pressure CDPR and send them support requests demanding the patch needed for no AVX processors (the problem all such users are facing, and many, many, people are complaining about it).

Shouldn't most Processors that came out in the past decade have this? Just how old gear are people using? To say that this excludes "a whole lot" of processors is a stretch. Most systems used for Bleeding edge and AAA gaming are not going to run almost decade old hardware...

Maybe this help


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions

There is a mod on nexus mods that fixes this called avx check fix for cyberpunk. Pretty annoying CDPR couldn't such a basic thing. You don't need to replace anything just yeet it into you bin/x64 folder and open it from there

Bourinos, the fact that if you're using this CPU and it's crashing says it is NOT completely capable. Once again, it is about Speed, it's also about capabilities and unfortunately your decade old, discontinued CPU just doesn't have the same capabilities that a current one does.

My guess here is that the developers are not actually coding assembly instructions using AVX. Instead, they're probably writing in C or a language that's getting compiled and optimized. Most likely these tools have been updated to link AVX where possible for performance gains. Most likely fixing this is to remove that compiler optimization rather than rewrite code.

Again, I could be wrong here. This is my gut sense (as a developer) on how this probably works.

Their minimum specs probably has more to do with instruction sets, optimizations used, and what they tested with rather than outright horsepower. In other words, a 2012 3ghz CPU is probably considered > a 2011 4ghz CPU not the other way around.

KU27PS – Thanks very much for your help you are a life saver.

This is basic coding that CDPR should of included in the first place.
In my opinion this is not about CPU age or how powerful it is. It’s about good coding practice.
If the Mod community can come up with a solution so quickly then CDPR could of too.

Again MOD community comes to the rescue.

P.S. Mod actually called “AVX Fix”.