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Thanks for bearing with us in this thread. We’d like to announce that today we’ve introduced the addition of new installers, with implemented GOG Galaxy client.

Like Destro described it back in May, we decided to separate the „new" and „classic” installers, for your choice. So if you don’t care about the features like achievements or cloud-saves and don’t want to use GOG Galaxy, you can download the „Classic Game Installer", just like it was handled before. For games that have new installers, the default download view on „My account” will show the "GOG Galaxy Game Installers" - you will notice that, as it is visibly described in „My account” game view. To download the „classic” ones, just go to „Options" and choose „Classic Installers”.

The new GOG Galaxy Game Installers were added to +100 games - a selection of all games that make use of GOG Galaxy features. I'll post the current list of games with the new installers in a separate post.
Going forward, all new games that will use GOG Galaxy features, will now receive both GOG Galaxy Game Installer and Classic Game Installer.

Introduction of GOG Galaxy Game Installers doesn’t change anything in terms of keeping the Classic Game Installers up to date. As soon as we receive an update for any game, we will prepare an updated version of the classic installer, just like it was done in the past.

Edit: Pinned.
Post edited July 06, 2017 by fables22
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Elmofongo: But Even if GOG Galaxy becomes steam? Why would Steam be the better option anyway?

What does Steam have the GOG Galaxy does not?
Many more games, many more features.
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Elmofongo: But Even if GOG Galaxy becomes steam? Why would Steam be the better option anyway?

What does Steam have the GOG Galaxy does not?
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tfishell: Many more games, many more features.
But not enough Good Old Games.
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Barefoot_Monkey: galaxy.dll isn't part of Galaxy - it's part of the game. It's called "galaxy.dll" because it contains code for communicating with Galaxy if you happen to be using it. Deleting .dll files that are part of a game will usually break the game.
I don't need code to communicate with Galaxy since I don't use the client. If it breaks the game to delete it then the game requires the ability to communicate with a program I don't use or want. It also indicates there is possibly code for future use by GOG for the Galaxy client.

It is part of the game only because GOG coded it to be required. Please . . . you know code is calling the dll.

Edit: If anything, finding Galaxy NOT installed, it should allow the game to run as expected. Not lock me out because of a dll specific to the Galaxy client that won't be used???
Post edited May 10, 2017 by Stuff
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Fuck. That. Shit. Keep the shitware out of your installers. The advantage of GOG is the lack of bullshit when it comes to downloading and installing games. You don't have a better selection than other game retailers, you don't have better prices. So if you start introducing this kind of bullshit with your installers as well, just what do you have? Why should I continue buying from you?
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Elmofongo: But Even if GOG Galaxy becomes steam? Why would Steam be the better option anyway?

What does Steam have the GOG Galaxy does not?
You can always give the finger to both, which is what I'll do if push comes to shove. I'm not going to switch to Steam. There are still other stores to get DRM free games. Humble, IndieGameStand, Fireflower Games... I can also buy a lot of games straight from the devs, DRM-free. If everything else fails and is devoured by clients, DRM and other shitty corporate practices, I'll just go back to the games I already have. I have a lot of them, I'll just replay them, I'll finally finish the ones I never finished. And there will always be a lot of cool freeware games floating around, often most impressive. I'll get by, no problem.

The real probles is with people who just "have to" play this game or that, and they'll just swallow everything to get to play it. I won't. I'll buy the games that don't screw me over for the privilege of playing them.
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This certainly raises some red flags for me. I will, however, withhold judgment until I see if the downloads get bloated by a ~150MB add-on. SimplePlanes is on the list, and I have that game in my library and have downloaded the ~220MB installation file. If it grows overnight by another 65% - to roughly 370MB - in order to download something I have had the opportunity to install every day for a few years now and have repeatedly and deliberately chosen NOT to do so, then this is a problem.

I've grumbled here repeatedly about my craptastic 768kbps connection. I know this isn't the norm. But if more and more new games come with an extra 27 minutes of download time....
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I would like to add my voice to the discontent being shown right now. I don't use Galaxy by choice. I've never been looking for something like Galaxy and in all probability will never feel the need to use it. I've found the practice of opting you in by default extremely ridiculous since I began downloading programs online... and I still find it ridiculous now. This change will not only annoy me, but will frustrate me EVERY TIME I'm going to install a game I've paid for and downloaded on your site. Please reconsider this change.

In the suggestions given (I've not read the 24 pages of the thread), the one I find more respectful is a direct link to the download of GOG Galaxy (might also want a link for people that want more info on it, so it'd take them on some faq page for the program). That to me is respectful of EVERY customer.
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I suppose I don't really care.
Post edited May 10, 2017 by Ophelium
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fables22: As many new users discover and download games from our website, we don’t want them to end up with installations that don’t auto-update or backup saves to the cloud.
Then why are you allowing "auto-update" and "backup saves" to be deactivated from within Galaxy?
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fables22: In fact, we want to offer everyone the most convenient experience from the get-go.
Handing out information in brochures to people passing by is an offer.

Standing in front of people insisting they tell you "no, I don't want it" before you'll step out of their way is not an offer.

Sticking an adhesive brochure on people's backs as they walk by is also not an offer.
Post edited May 10, 2017 by thomq
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HereForTheBeer: This certainly raises some red flags for me. I will, however, withhold judgment until I see if the downloads get bloated by a ~150MB add-on. SimplePlanes is on the list, and I have that game in my library and have downloaded the ~220MB installation file. If it grows overnight by another 65% - to roughly 370MB - in order to download something I have had the opportunity to install every day for a few years now and have repeatedly and deliberately chosen NOT to do so, then this is a problem.

I've grumbled here repeatedly about my craptastic 768kbps connection. I know this isn't the norm. But if more and more new games come with an extra 27 minutes of download time....
I have an excellent connection now, so the added size wouldn't bother me - but it boggles the mind why, from a business perspective, you'd want to bloat your games with extra heft and burn up even more bandwidth for each download. Given the volume of users on GOG, that can't be insignificant. Why not just an opt-in that either gives you a link to DL the client right then (or after the install is finished), or directs you to the GOG page where you can grab Galaxy if you want it? I just don't understand their thinking here at all.

As MarkoH01 put it a couple pages back: I was pretty ready to defend GOG through all the other changes they made that caused an uproar, because I jumped on board almost the first day they were up and running, and I believed in their gamer-first DRM-free philosophy. But over the years, they've systematically and relentlessly eroded the values that brought me here and kept me here. (Why am I suddenly getting flashbacks of Stardock's 'Gamer's Bill of Rights' bullshit?)

This is probably the last straw for me. I'll hang around to see if they reconsider this ill-conceived brainwave, but if they don't, and just decide to push ahead, I'm out. I'll have to check in periodically to see if there are updates to my games, but I'll be done with further purchases and I'll just wash my hands of the whole GOG experience. And that makes me sad and angry.

On the plus side, I probably waste far too much of my time on these boards and could be doing something far more productive with my time anyway.
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HunchBluntley: I'm surprised nobody seems to have created a specific wish dealing with this yet ("keep Galaxy optional" doesn't really cover it), so I did. Pass the link around. :)
Voted! Although I would have worded it more like "Do not integrate a Galaxy installer into the offline game installers" (a pointer to Galaxy would be OK for me). But people already have added that wish clearly enough in the comments. :)

Just as a reminder, as this wish also could have more votes:

<span class="bold">Be optional till the end of days</span>
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HunchBluntley: I'm surprised nobody seems to have created a specific wish dealing with this yet ("keep Galaxy optional" doesn't really cover it), so I did. Pass the link around. :)
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fables22:
As many new users discover and download games from our website, we don’t want them to end up with installations that don’t auto-update or backup saves to the cloud.

Last but not least, here’s a list of games that will include the option to install GOG Galaxy: <a href="http://www.gog.com/forum/general/offline_installers_with_an_option_to_install_gog_galaxy/post1" class="link_arrow"></a></div> Not very convincing. Of the 102 games currently listed in that file only eight (8) are on the [url=https://www.gog.com/games?feature=cloud_saves&amp;sort=title&amp;page=1]list of games currently compatible with Cloud Saves.

Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition
Firewatch
No Man's Sky
The Walking Dead: A New Frontier
The Witcher: Enhanced Edition
The Witcher 2: Assassins Of Kings - Enhanced Edition
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Game of the Year Edition

Something simply called "Tyranny" is on the list of games to have a Galaxy installer. However, only Tyranny - Portrait Pack is listed as working with Cloud Saves, but not any of the three editions of the actual game itself.

(BTW, kudos to the new navigation system, part of it made this research really easy.)
Post edited May 10, 2017 by thomq
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Even for new customers, I don't see installing Galaxy by default being a good idea. I think you could scare away a lot of people if their first experience with GOG involves something being installed without their permission.
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mk47at: I'm sorry. I'm not sure that this will help you in any way, but I'm feeling the same way. I've had a terrible Friday that started rather nicely, but the ending was horrible and lasted until Monday evening.
My mother always said, having many people share your unhappiness is a fool's consolation. Let's both focus on what to do on our end to make things work better.

I'm disappointed on GOG for this move, I'm disappointed on Fables that she created the thread at the end of the working day just to make the shitstorm blow up and then just left us to exhaust ourselves complaining without any further information or productive discussion. Then she'll be back, will tell us how they are oh so listening to our feedback and make the checkbox unchecked by default hoping that it will make us feel better that we avoided the worst case scenario. "Hey, at least it's not as bad as it could have been!"

I went through the first 4 stages of grief yesterday night, now I'm on acceptance. GOG has turned into a piece of shit and I no longer have any trust on it. Not even the offline installers I already bought are sacred. I just need to keep this in mind going forward, another competitive advantage lost for GOG.
Post edited May 10, 2017 by P1na