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GameRager: I am assuming you do it with scripts/apps(the DLs)? If so, some people have same or bigger size libraries and do it manually(for various reasons)....that makes it harder to a degree.
Nope, all manually using TeraCopy as the MD5/CRC copier.
I download a game, then copy it to each drive, in its own folder that contains a cover image and a copy of the game web page.

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GameRager: Also 4 copies of each? Why not still 3 and just replace one set if it fails?
Drives can die anytime, and a huge undertaking to copy that many games to a new drive, and also risky. Far better to just have lots of copies, and then copy gradually over days and maybe weeks, if one drive needs replacing.

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GameRager: that is why I think the what just updated thread is a godsend and the ones running it are amazing people for doing so.
While I am glad there is something, it often proves less than useful and a pain to wade through, so I just don't bother any more. Sometimes there is an up-to-date changelog in the forum topic for the game.

However, I have been finding that over time, the Changelog often does get updated, just maybe weeks or months later. As an aid with that, I TAG all such games as UPDATED in my Library, so I can recall each one for later checking. It seems you get another notification for just the changelog being updated, when it does finally happen.

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GameRager: Eh, if the industry changes a big amount and they pull a blockbuster on people then it could still happen, though yes it is unlikely. I mainly crack bought games sometimes myself in case they try pulling content or entire games like they did in the past, or if I say the wrong thing and I get a ban there.
I just cannot see it happening. It would be bad for everyone, even for those who don't like Steam or don't support it. Total trust would instantly dissolve and stay that way for a very long time, and no section of the gaming industry would be unaffected. There would be millions of angry consumers, perhaps doubly so because they think us GOGers are the fools, and to be proved they were instead would be unbearable. There would be court cases like you wouldn't believe. And the acceptability of DRM from that moment on would be a total negative.

Too big to fail, just like major banks.
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Karterii1993: ... Unless of course I can finally get a color printer to print cover art and burn my GOG games to discs.

Point is, I see digital distribution as the DRM for memories, in a way. Even if I have no means of playing an old game I loved, just having the box would evoke all feelings I felt when I first played it.
Some actually do that with some games here, iirc.

And nice/good post....+1

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Timboli: Nope, all manually using TeraCopy as the MD5/CRC copier.
I download a game, then copy it to each drive, in its own folder that contains a cover image and a copy of the game web page.
Damn, that's some amazing dedication....kudos. :)

(Also I am curious: do you save the webpage in html form or picture form?)


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Timboli: Drives can die anytime, and a huge undertaking to copy that many games to a new drive, and also risky. Far better to just have lots of copies, and then copy gradually over days and maybe weeks, if one drive needs replacing.
Still, the odds of losing 2 drives at once would be very low, one would think. Also one more drive wouldn't help if they all failed at once(rare, I know, but still possible).

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Timboli: While I am glad there is something, it often proves less than useful and a pain to wade through, so I just don't bother any more. Sometimes there is an up-to-date changelog in the forum topic for the game.
How is it a pain to check the latest posts for game titles and if your OS version has an update?

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Timboli: However, I have been finding that over time, the Changelog often does get updated, just maybe weeks or months later. As an aid with that, I TAG all such games as UPDATED in my Library, so I can recall each one for later checking. It seems you get another notification for just the changelog being updated, when it does finally happen.
I usually also just update games when the purple dot appears or the thread says one of my games has an update...it saves me a ton of time and worrying.


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Timboli: I just cannot see it happening. It would be bad for everyone, even for those who don't like Steam or don't support it. Total trust would instantly dissolve and stay that way for a very long time, and no section of the gaming industry would be unaffected. There would be millions of angry consumers, perhaps doubly so because they think us GOGers are the fools, and to be proved they were instead would be unbearable. There would be court cases like you wouldn't believe. And the acceptability of DRM from that moment on would be a total negative.

Too big to fail, just like major banks.
I don't think they are too big to fail, personally, but that it is very very unlikely.....heck, look at blockbuster and more recently the slow failure of gamestop.
Post edited November 06, 2019 by GameRager
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Karterii1993: I think that while digital is more convenient and better overall rationally speaking, I think a lot is lost from not having physical games or entertainment in general. If I ever lose my memory, I would never know that I loved PC games since I wouldn't remember my account details for any game service, and only see the few GOG games if I remember to check my external hard drive. My living and bed rooms would be empty if it weren't for my books, few console games and few blurays of movies I still own.

I can't help but watch YouTube videos of people's big box collections and be jealous. I get
nostalgic for a time I never experienced, and if these players had all their games digitally I could never have gotten that feeling I get when I watch these videos. Irrational for sure, but I would argue that this feeing isn't worthless and that it is sad that we have no other option but "ignore it".

... Unless of course I can finally get a color printer to print cover art and burn my GOG games to discs.

Point is, I see digital distribution as the DRM for memories, in a way. Even if I have no means of playing an old game I loved, just having the box would evoke all feelings I felt when I first played it.
I have gotten most of my boxed games at GOG now, and will probably never use the disc versions again. At this point I have no intention to get rid of the boxed versions though, for some of the reasons you say.

That said, most boxed games were a waste of space ... a single disc and maybe a manual rattling around in a large box. Talk about pointless clutter, even if the boxes looked good in many cases. The move to DVD cases was smarter, but even they are overdone, especially where the manual is on a disc. CD cases were better.

What you say is true though, about digital formats over physical versions. Virtual library shelves just don't quite cut it. At least not yet. Perhaps something in the future might be a good form of replacement .... much like a photo album being permanently on display with a screensaver slideshow device etc.
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GameRager: (Also I am curious: do you save the webpage in html form or picture form?)
HTML - right-click save as, stored in a folder called _Html, copied then to the game folder.

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GameRager: Still, the odds of losing 2 drives at once would be very low, one would think. Also one more drive wouldn't help if they all failed at once(rare, I know, but still possible).
Its not really about two drives dying at once, though you are certainly taxing a drive when you copy a lot of files from it, especially if you do it fast, and incautiously. It is really about the time taken to do another copy, all in one hit.

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GameRager: How is it a pain to check the latest posts for game titles and if your OS version has an update?
I find the listings to be done in a way that is less than ideal for wading through. In other words a lot to look through, to find the relevant bit to yourself, and often it barely says anything ... nothing like what a changelog entry would say.

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GameRager: I usually also just update games when the purple dot appears or the thread says one of my games has an update...it saves me a ton of time and worrying.
I just find that wasteful of additional space, if the update wasn't of much importance or even relevance. Sometimes it is just an updated installer or a different language version. Doesn't matter much if just a few Mbs, but sometimes it is a few Gigabytes.

Not sure if you replace your original game files, I don't. Retaining the ability to restore an older version can sometimes be very important. Updates sometime break or change things, not always for the better.

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GameRager: I don't think they are too big to fail, personally, but that it is very very unlikely.....heck, look at blockbuster and more recently the slow failure of gamestop.
I don't think you can begin to compare them to a monster like Steam.
Most of the gaming industry, goes through Steam.
Many millions of gamers use Steam, so losing access to their games would be like World War 3.
Post edited November 06, 2019 by Timboli
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Timboli: Its not really about two drives dying at once, though you are certainly taxing a drive when you copy a lot of files from it, especially if you do it fast, and incautiously. It is really about the time taken to do another copy, all in one hit.
Drive are gonna fial at some point, though, no matter how good you care for them....and having 1 more drive doesn't necessarily mean one is very much safer than with 1 less(when talking about backups more than 2).


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Timboli: I find the listings to be done in a way that is less than ideal for wading through. In other words a lot to look through, to find the relevant bit to yourself, and often it barely says anything ... nothing like what a changelog entry would say.
I don't know what to tell you....I just look for titles of games while skimming the posts, and then OS versions if one matches a game I own.


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Timboli: I just find that wasteful of additional space, if the update wasn't of much importance or even relevance. Sometimes it is just an updated installer or a different language version. Doesn't matter much if just a few Mbs, but sometimes it is a few Gigabytes.

Not sure if you replace your original game files, I don't. Retaining the ability to restore an older version can sometimes be very important. Updates sometime break or change things, not always for the better.
I am a bit "autistic" in that so I update each time my installers.

As for replacing files....I keep the current ones and the last ones before that. If I needed a very old version I know where to get those(of bought games, I mean).

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Timboli: I don't think you can begin to compare them to a monster like Steam.
Most of the gaming industry, goes through Steam.
Many millions of gamers use Steam, so losing access to their games would be like World War 3.
Many used blockbuster when it was popular and so do people who use gamestop.....many relied on/rely on such for their entertainment and likely felt it when they folded/shrunk in scope.
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Hooyaah: To answer the question posed in the thread title without mincing words: Negative!
I'm with Gandalf on this! After having experienced GOG for a good few years now, there is just no way i could go back to how it used to be in terms of DRM and the negative effect it has on my gaming.

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LordEbu: DRM that people always manage to bypass, is basically useless. In the end, It's annoying for the customer, nobody else.
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GameRager: Not true....it often halts pirating for a few days, which is usually when said companies make a good chunk of their sales(same with other things, which see a good initial burst of interest at the start and then it tapers off dramatically in many cases). That is often good enough to justify DRM in the eyes of many greedy execs.
Yeah for many Publishers they are just concerned about those initial couple of weeks, when typically a game makes the vast portion of it's profits.

So sadly we can blame our own buying habits on the iron grip of DRM in gaming :(
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ThorChild: Yeah for many Publishers they are just concerned about those initial couple of weeks, when typically a game makes the vast portion of it's profits.

So sadly we can blame our own buying habits on the iron grip of DRM in gaming :(
Tbh I wouldn't mind a hybrid system where they DRM the game for the first few weeks or a month then cut it out for everyone else who wants it that way.....then we'd all win in the end. :)
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Timboli: .
That said, most boxed games were a waste of space ... a single disc and maybe a manual rattling around in a large box. Talk about pointless clutter, even if the boxes looked good in many cases. The move to DVD cases was smarter, but even they are overdone, especially where the manual is on a disc. CD cases were better.
Yes, as beautiful as big boxes are, there is no reason to have such a big physical representation of a computer game. I am fine with just jewel cases, honestly. Just something! I do appreciate the move to more eco-friendly means of distributing digital media, but I do want something that helps me remember!!
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Karterii1993: Yes, as beautiful as big boxes are, there is no reason to have such a big physical representation of a computer game. I am fine with just jewel cases, honestly. Just something! I do appreciate the move to more eco-friendly means of distributing digital media, but I do want something that helps me remember!!
I like the big boxes and also the bigger manuals with pictures so maybe a bit bigger than that for me, personally.
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GameRager: Tbh I wouldn't mind a hybrid system where they DRM the game for the first few weeks or a month then cut it out for everyone else who wants it that way.....then we'd all win in the end. :)
Why this isn't standard practice is beyond me. Only the hardest of hardcore DRM haters would complain if they simply removed it once the game was pirated or after a specified amount of time.
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StingingVelvet: Only the hardest of hardcore DRM haters would complain if they simply removed it once the game was pirated or after a specified amount of time.
And I'd be one of those still complaining, as my beef is with the very concept.
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Karterii1993: Yes, as beautiful as big boxes are, there is no reason to have such a big physical representation of a computer game. I am fine with just jewel cases, honestly. Just something! I do appreciate the move to more eco-friendly means of distributing digital media, but I do want something that helps me remember!!
I dare you to fit 400 pages of manual into a jewel case. ;-)
And a sturdy cloth map. Scratch'n'sniff cards, metal coin, novella...
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Cavalary: And I'd be one of those still complaining, as my beef is with the very concept.
It's called compromise...you get something and give something....not very hard to wrap one's head around.

Also it would be much better for some than what we have now for many games.
Post edited November 06, 2019 by GameRager
Thanks to star farce some of my disc games no longer work so now I need to hunt for cracks before they all disappear.
No

BUT..... The answer is not that simple....

If companies would release physical copies more often I would be ok with cdkey drm, but only as long as no internet connection is needed. But then again. If you loose the cdkey you're screwed. Best thing is if it's a psycial copy wich is completely drm free.